Rear springs under the frame...

[Dirtball]

Do any of you guys have your rear springs moved under the frame? The guy who will do my springover (IF I go that route, and I think I will) says that's the way he handles the rear. I've seen several FSJs that he has done springovers on and his work is good. Any problems with going this route? He says he'll do all the work and have it ready to drive for $500. He has a small shop at his house with little overhead, plus I bought my Cherokee from him, so he's giving me a little bit of a break on the cost. I want to take and post some pics of his sprungover Gladiator. It is really cool.

[Bama Burden]

Pretty sure there are a few guys around here that have moved the hangers under the frame. You may remember the recent post (think it got the axe) that showed somebody's springs moved way inboard....there was some healthy debate about the safety of that. Does his cost include reworking steering in any way? Definitely get some pics of his rig and post here. Is he a member of this board?

Of course a complete kit from TT's is only $340; you have to be able to weld on the spring perches, but it would save some money

[BRUTUS]

I am going to move my rears under the frame. It is typically for 14B rear SRW chevy axles with disc brakes so that the brake caliper clears the spring on J-trucks. I am not sure about Gwags or cheros.

Bama, we are talking about rear axle... not front. No need to rework steering unless it is rear steer which is reworked steering anyways.

[talntar]

Do any of you guys have your rear springs moved under the frame? The guy who will do my springover (IF I go that route, and I think I will) says that's the way he handles the rear. I've seen several FSJs that he has done springovers on and his work is good. Any problems with going this route? He says he'll do all the work and have it ready to drive for $500. He has a small shop at his house with little overhead, plus I bought my Cherokee from him, so he's giving me a little bit of a break on the cost. I want to take and post some pics of his sprungover Gladiator. It is really cool.
all gladiators are sprungover from the factory

[rustywagoneers_com]

Bama, we are talking about rear axle... not front. No need to rework steering unless it is rear steer which is reworked steering anyways.

i am pretty sure bama was referring to the SOA for 500 bucks total.. whether or not that includes any program to correct the steering geometry ...

peace
Dave

[mudslider]

crazyjeepman has done the inboard under the frame already. im about to do the same as well. he would be able to answer your questions.

[Elliott]

Mine are partially under the frame, Pete's are fully under and IIRC using some readilly avialable box hangers.

[Bama Burden]

I am going to move my rears under the frame. It is typically for 14B rear SRW chevy axles with disc brakes so that the brake caliper clears the spring on J-trucks. I am not sure about Gwags or cheros.

Bama, we are talking about rear axle... not front. No need to rework steering unless it is rear steer which is reworked steering anyways.

There's no need to rework steering if you lift it the 6" or so that a springover gives you? I was just curious if the guy was offering a crossover, pitman, etc.


Nice catch, Talntar

[Elliott]

Using the inversion kit:
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/jeeps/files/1963-1987-Pickups/79RearInversionHanger.JPG

[wickedwagon767]

- dirtball -


There are several different ways to do it and www.ttsfabworks.com (http://www.ttsfabworks.com) makes the rear brackets that can be bolted and/or welded in place to achieve about 7" of rear lift to compensate for the front spring-over. Their kit for the rear is about $240 shipped I believe. Quality stuff.

and BAMA has a good point. $500 is cheap. Too cheap if you ask me. My 78 Wagoneer had a monkey-rigged SOA when I got it and the only correction done to the steering geometry was a 4" drop pitman arm........and the steering was not helped at all by just that.

Make sure this guys does this.......

- welds quality spring perches above the axle
- lengthens the brakelines ( or lowers the factory mount for the front lines down 1-notch...)
- does caster work with shims to correct the pinion angle if necessary
- the rear spring hangers a no-brainer for even a mild-skilled wrencher
- relocates the factory draglink or builds you a new, bent one

www.partsmikeparts.com (http://www.partsmikeparts.com) has everything you need to build a killer steering setup on a budget. If you look under the "part time transfer case thread" I posted the price he quoted me for virtually everything needed to put the factory drag link above the leaf springs after an SOA conversion to give you BETTER than stock steering....even with the lift.

I do not believe the guy has factored in any steering work in the price he quoted you

I'm looking forward to the pics of his J-truck/gladiator......make sure you get a GOOD closeup of the front axle/suspension on it. As Talntar pointed out, these trucks were spring-over from the factory.

It may end up costing around $1000 to do it right,but the safety drawbacks are worth it, trust me

[wickedwagon767]

Elliott

RUSTY RUSTY!

sand-blast or wire brush that boogar!

[Elliott]

Yeah, I know:( It'll get blasted when I'm ready to strip it all down again. Had it all over my shop in parts prior to relocating to TX and had to throw it back together real fast and now time just keeps running by me.... but at least I'm employed. Now I got two buggers need blasting!:D

[Tad]

Yeah, I know:(It'll get blasted when I'm ready to strip it all down again...
Looks fine Elliot, dam smart job of moving those hangers in. I like it a lot, wish I would have even thought of that for my rear disc Jtruck conversion. Might still, if I ever get time to see the J again.

[Dirtball]

I'll ask the questions about the steering... other than that, I'm not worried about his workmanship. My best friend is a certified boilermaker who teaches high school metal fab (unfortunately, he's in GA). I've seen my friend's welds with TIG, MIG, and stick, and the guy I'm talking to welds just about as well. He also does this for a living and has a really good reputation in our area. He's just an old country boy with no overhead, and as I said earlier, he's giving me a break on the work since I bought my Chero from him. I asked my original question for exactly what you guys have come through with: additional questions I should ask him, and I'm extremely greatful for the info. I'll also ask about the brakelines, though I really feel he has the whole gameplan in mind. It's also a few weeks or maybe a couple of months before I get the work done. I'll pick his brain a lot by then. If anyone has anything else to add to what I need to ask him, please chime in.

[wickedwagon767]

Awesome, if he's got the skills and the rep and he's only going to charge $500 for a correct SOA conversion...kudos to you.

sounds like a deal to me

Looking forward to seeing pics of your Cherokee after the work is done

[Economos]

Well, I haven't exactly bought the rig yet ('77 W/T 2-door Cherokee), but I was also planning to move the rear spring hangers under the frame as well, but was planning on fabricating all my brackets and mounts. I'd really like to be able to run a set of YJ boomerang shackles in the rear; TT says that these kits are not stocked, which means they're made to order, so I wonder if they could build the hangers to work with boomerangs. Also, is this much lift achieved with reusing the stock springs? I also assume that relocating the axle perches will be needed.

(Sorry fellas, I'm an FSJ newbie.)

[Elliott]

Here's another thread on the subject: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=46739&highlight=spring+hangers+frame

[rustywagoneers_com]

...... is this much lift achieved with reusing the stock springs? I also assume that relocating the axle perches will be needed.

yup and yup
:)
peace
Dave

[rockjeep44]

I used to charge $650 when I did SOAs for people and that did not include messing with the steering unless it was just installing a DPA. Usually by the end of the job I felt like I should have charged more ;) $500 is a good deal.