Yet another tire post...

[Stuka]

Ok, after finding the limits of my 31's yesterday I have decided to go up to 33's with some fender trimming. Now dont get me wrong, you can go a LOT of places with a 4" lift, 31" mud tires, and a detroit in back. I surprised myself yesterday by making out of a mud bog that I would not have if didnt have the locker.

So anyways, I would repfer a 33x10.50 tire, as there is a less chance of any rubbing happening, which means less trimming. And I like skinnier tires anyways. But I may still go with a 33x12.50.

So I am looking at either the same type of tire I have now, only bigger (33x12.50): Cooper STT (http://coopertire.com/tire_cooper/ltsuv.asp?id=28)

Or, I was looking at the Swamper TSL Radial (http://intercotire.com/html/tsl___radial.htm) as it comes in a 33x10.50 size.

I know Todd has 36x12.50 TSL Radials, but he hasnt actually run them yet. Who here has? The main thing I am worried about is tire wear. I dont drive a lot, but I would like a 25k mile life out of them. And from the picts, they look like they would need to be siped to do well in the rain.

So any other suggestions? I drive up here in the mountains with no freeway miles basically. Its all below 65 and lots and lots of corners. In hot summers, and snowy winters. And of course plenty of trails mixed in.

EDIT: dont mention BFG's, I wont ever buy them. I cant stand michelins (who BFG is owned by, oh yah, and they are french ;) )

[ May 11, 2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: Stuka ]

[Sycho15]

What about the SS LTB in a 34x10.5? I think these run a little cheaper and have deeper tread

[Stuka]

I would need quite a bit more trimming to fit a 34" tire. A 33 will be getting close as it is.

[243]

Where do you have to trim to run 33x10.50's on a NT?

[tomd]

But how tall is a 34" LTB???

[Stuka]

A 34" LTB is 33.6" tall.

A 33" TSL Radial is 32.7" tall.

For trimming, I will trim the lower part of the flare on the front fenders. (I want to leave some of it, as without any of the flare it gets a little weak from lack of support)

For the rear I will trim about the same. Up to the middle of the flared part. This will get rid of a bunch of rust, and allow for bigger tires.

EDIT: oh yeah, my current tires are 30.5" tall.

[ May 11, 2003, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Stuka ]

[CowKiller]

i am gona be running them 34x10.50's on the j10 when i swap the rears. i like tall skinny tires.

but if u wana go with 33x12.50, and want swampers, get the ssr's. they work great on the road, and the sipeing helps alot with wet roads.

[Navajo]

LTBs are bias ply, so if you want a radial I would say TSL radialsn and not SSR. Seen too many SSR cut real easy off-road, and the tread likes to chunck off.

[Big Blue J-10]

I had a set of super swamper 33x15.50s TSL/SX on one of my old Chevys.Great tire for offroading but on road they will wear out very quick and gas,thats another story.They seem to made with a very soft rubber compound that will dissapeer quick when used on pavement.I dont know if all swampers are made with that same kind of rubber compound.If your rig is mostly off road than I would go with a super swamper.

Adam

[Navajo]

Bias plys are made with a softer rubber than radials I think, but the softer rubber gives it better grip on the rocks

[Stuka]

bias plys are made of softer rubber most of the time. My Del Nat Deep lugs wore like crazy. They would cup really fast too if you diddnt always rotate them to the other side of the truck.

This is why I am wondering if anybody has the TSL Radials. I would think they would wear out slower. I spose I could ask interco and see how they respond...

[Navajo]

I've seen guys with SuperDuties get 40k out of a set with regular rotations.

[Stuka]

out of a set of TSL Swamper Radials? If so i am going with them heh... A SD weighs about 2000 pounds more then my rig, so generally would cause more wear and heat build up.

[ May 11, 2003, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Stuka ]

[norville]

I have the cooper's in 33 and I love 'em. They are a little loud at low speed pavement. But it's worth it, you say you have the 31's if you likem I vote for the 33's.

norv

[Stuka]

I love the 31's. Just that the 33's from cooper are 12.50 wide. Which means more trimming.

I may still go with them though.

[dnixon]

I say go with some MTR's... They are usually a little smaller then what they say.. so 33 is more like 32... (i have no experinence with 33's just from what I know about my 35's an heard about 37's...)
Also the 33's can be had for a decent price too.. Tirerack.com also carries them and they give some decent prices as well.
And also because then the three Central Valley (well you are in hills but we'll include you too) guys will all be running MTR's... ;)

[Stuka]

hrm..I thought 33" MTR were like 165 each?

The TSL Radials are like 124 each for a 33x10.50

EDIT: ok I just looked, the 33x12.50 MTR's are 145 each. That isnt to bad...I may just go with those after watching how well brians did.

[ May 12, 2003, 08:46 AM: Message edited by: Stuka ]

[fulsizjeep]

Stuka - I have 32x11.5 MTRs on Krista's Wag that used to be on my GW. They fit pretty good considering the 2" lift. A little rubbing in the front of rear fenders when we get her twisted. They are on 8" white spokes and don't rub on the front springs. I went to 33x12.5 Baja Widetracks on the GW with 4" lift. On the same 8" white spokes, they hit the front springs a bit. Shaved some of the front fenders in the front down by the brace and took 1.5" off the rear fenders all around. Yeah, 8" rims are just a bit narrow for 33x12.5, but they fit snug when aired down to 15. If you go with 33x10.5 there is a good chance you won't have to trim at all on a 4" lift depending on the offset of your wheels.

[Stuka]

I am really leaning twards the MTR's. Gona calll the local good year shop and see if they can match tire.com's price. As that would save me shipping. But tire rack is WAY cheaper then any of the adds in my mags here.

Although i definately wouldent mind a set of x-terrains. They are a sweet tire also.

[dnixon]

Originally posted by Stuka:
Although i definately wouldent mind a set of x-terrains. They are a sweet tire also.A friend of mine here said that those x-terrains wear unevenly. I was going to go with those at first but after he started telling me how his friend didn't like them I decided to go with the MTR's.. 4wheelparts will price match tirerack.com if you bring in a quote (at least thats what I have been told).. might spend some money on gas driving to oakland (I think is the closest) but it might be cheaper then shipping..

[Stuka]

oakland is over 3 hours away lol. would be cheaper to get em shipped here.

pretty sure I am gona go with MTR's though.

[netbear]

Since you won't go with the BFGs, the MTRs
are your best option for a tire that works
great on and off the roads and lasts.
Too bad Goodyear does not offer 33-10.50-15.
If you go to 16" rims there are lots of options
for tall-narrow tires. You really might want to
consider going to a 16" rim.

[rockjeep44]

Stuka, I think the MTR's are probably a little too hardcore for you. Mabye you should consider a nice all terrain? ;)
-Andrew

[BigSHO]

Has anybody run the geolanders and how do they do.

[Stuka]

andrew: to hard core?

since when do you know what kind of stuff I do here?

the stuff I normally do is steep mountain terrain. I dont live int he flat lands with a poseur rig. I have the body damage to prove it. Just because I dont have 20 inches of lift and 39's doesnt mean I dont go places that need a good tire. I will NOT go with a all terrain.

1: i would get stuck the first time I went out somewhere

2: i would get stuck going to work, as AT's and 1+ ft of snow dont mix

3: AT's and loose rock and shale dont mix.

So how about you dont go and judge what people do by the things they have done to their rig. Just because somebody doesnt have a pure offroad rig doesnt mean they dont offroad...

[FYR WOOD]

Stuka,
I'll tell ya from experience with the Swamper 33x10.50 TSL Radials, that they are NARROW. I had them mounted on my stock Wag wheels, with 4" lift and they looked retarded, and I blew one up on the first trail run with them. I hated them. On my current Wag, with about 7" of lift, I run 36x12.50 TSL Radials and they are wearing VERY fast in the front. I got them used so thats why I opted for the Radial again. My next set of tires will be bias ply 36x12.50 TSLs. I second the 34" LTB suggestion. I am very curious about that tire. I only wish I had something small enough to run them on. haha

Scott

[Stuka]

I like narrow tires, as they do better for most of the terrain around here. Big fat tires dont do to well in my experiance.

I rather not go with a big bias ply because of the ridde. I used to run only bias, until I get sick of the horid vibrations every day when its freezing out.

Talked to a guy I know today and he says they have been wearing great (the TSL Radials that is). If yours are wearing in just the front I would check your toe-in, it may be out some.

Most people I talk to love the MTR's, and say they do well in the snow up here if you have a enough weight to offset the wider width.

If Cow Killer gets his 34" LTB's soon I will see how he likes them. If they ride ok and such, I might just go with them. I dont ever drive my cherokee on the freeways, But i do drive it a lot in the winter so that I can get to work. (I drive 11 miles, up 2000 feet in elevation, and generally through some nasty ice and snow on steep curvy roads)

[rockjeep44]

Originally posted by Stuka:
andrew: to hard core?

since when do you know what kind of stuff I do here?

the stuff I normally do is steep mountain terrain. I dont live int he flat lands with a poseur rig. I have the body damage to prove it. Just because I dont have 20 inches of lift and 39's doesnt mean I dont go places that need a good tire. I will NOT go with a all terrain.

1: i would get stuck the first time I went out somewhere

2: i would get stuck going to work, as AT's and 1+ ft of snow dont mix

3: AT's and loose rock and shale dont mix.

So how about you dont go and judge what people do by the things they have done to their rig. Just because somebody doesnt have a pure offroad rig doesnt mean they dont offroad...I was just jokin with ya cuz I knew you'd get pissed about it :D

[orangecherokee]

No offense Stuka but you really have no clue what Andrew's rig can do. maybe you can scoot over to fullsizejeeps.com and check a few of the vids out. i'm not trying to start a flame war here but by no means is his rig a poser rig, plain and simple.

[Stuka]

I am fully aware of what his rig can do. It *VERY* capable. Thats NOT what I was saying. WHAT I was saying is you dont need to have ALL those mods to offroad. Of course his rig will go more places then mine. You would have to be a idiot to think it wouldent. But when somebody insults my rig saying it belongon the street (which is what he insinuated) that pisses me off. I dont have tons of money to dump into it, and I am limited to what I myself can do. Anything done on it I have done to it, with the exception of the exhaust which a shop did.

So is my rig a hard core rock crawler....hell no...

Is it a street only rig that has no need for an aggressive tire...no it isnt...

You need to re-read what I said Mr. OrangeCherokee.

[orangecherokee]

well Ms. Stuka, i have read your post and a fact is a fact, you called it a "poser rig". no one ever said that his rig was more capable than yours but now that you mention it, you're right!! it's more capable than most i've seen. i'm glad you take pride in your truck, as do i but don't get your panties in a wad about it. just buy the tires you think might work and lay into them. do you really need to get this upset over a couple guys opinion?? down boy, down ;)

[Robber80]

orangecherokee, do you have to 37 MTRs on your rig????? cause daaaaaamn, thats what i want smile.gif . oh and by the way, i think rockjeep was just joking to begin with so this is kinda pointless, it was just sarcasim. but i guess i could be wrong. Anyway, i've heard nothing but good things about MTRs. As soon as mines ready for over $800 in tires thats what i'm gunna get. smile.gif

[Stuka]

Originally posted by orangecherokee:
well Ms. Stuka, i have read your post and a fact is a fact, you called it a "poser rig". no one ever said that his rig was more capable than yours but now that you mention it, you're right!! it's more capable than most i've seen. i'm glad you take pride in your truck, as do i but don't get your panties in a wad about it. just buy the tires you think might work and lay into them. do you really need to get this upset over a couple guys opinion?? down boy, down ;) I didnt call his rig a "poseur Rig" I said mine wasnt. Sorry if it came out that way, but was not what I ment. Dont assume I mean something unless I come out and say it. We has lots of poseur trucks here in california that live in the flat lands..was stating mine wasnt one of those.

And as Robber said, andrew was joking as he stated above, which I kinda figured he was, but wanted to make my point anyways smile.gif

[ May 18, 2003, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: Stuka ]

[orangecherokee]

well, robber that was what i was supposed to be getting this past weekend but they won't come in till June. everybody that runs them, loves them and says that they are extrememly hard to beat. my suggestion is to get them and quickly. i think everybody should have a set of tires like that. i'll be posting pics when i get mine on.

[Chero77]

Ok dudes, before this becomes a "mine is bigger than yours" thread, someone needs to define "capable." There are a number of rockcrawler rigs that are capable in the sense the they can do one and only one thing well, i.e. crawl over rocks. For all other purposes they are essentially useless. If you need or want a long-haul freeway cruizer and also need or want to go off-road, you do not want MTR tires. You certainly don't want bias plys. After 500 miles on big MTR tires, the noise and vibration gets old fast. So "capable" depends on what you want the truck to do.

I am sure many on this list would not consider my "street-truck" Cherokee "capable." However, its fast (for an FSJ), makes long freeway hauls in comfort, and for the 20% of the time it goes offroad, the mild tread AT tires do the job. So to me its very "capable." Whereas a hard core rockrcrawler would be "useless" for my purposes.

As stated, the definition of "Capable" depends on what you want your truck to do.

[ May 18, 2003, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Chero77 ]

[82wagonlimtd]

man....kinda touchy there Stuka??? :rolleyes:

In other words ......CHILL OUT!

Andy

[ May 18, 2003, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: 82wagonlimtd ]

[Joe Guilbeau]

Off-Roads review of Kumho Road Venture MT's...
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/products/kumho/index2.html

Kumho Tire Specs...these can take studs for snow
http://www.kumhousa.com/Products/PtnDetails.asp?mainCatID=2&PtnID=834

[rockjeep44]

http://www.nagca.com/forum/images/smiles/1cry1.gif

[ May 19, 2003, 12:17 AM: Message edited by: rockjeep44 ]

[Midnightwagon]

dont cry its ok

[Stuka]

Originally posted by rockjeep44:
http://www.nagca.com/forum/images/smiles/1cry1.gifROFL! :D

I was actually just fine when you said you where joking. No harm done... But then orangecherokee got up in arms about something i didnt say...

*shrug*

[SAustinwag]

I run 35 MTR's and have for a year----they rock. BUY THEM! They give me less trouble than everything else in my life, so they were worth it.

Looka round in google for the reviews. THey've rated excellent on every user review I've read to date.

[SAustinwag]

BUY THE MTR's!!! I've owned a set of 33's for over a year and they have done awesome, just bought a set of 35's....

I have a roommate with a BRAND NEW set of 33 12.50's on black steelies (also new) for sale . I can check if he's still got hem If you'd like??? email me if you're interested

Wizkey@hotmail.com

[SAustinwag]

oops, sorry about the double post... didn't think it went. comp crashed.. :(

[orangecherokee]

i'm always up in arms over something. you just happened to hit a nerve that day.

[RdHawg]

Stuka : Fenders are over rated anyway. All they do is get in the way. Go 35's! man the sawzall! Don the beer! Call the buds! It's cuttin' time!

[Stuka]

Originally posted by orangecherokee:
i'm always up in arms over something. you just happened to hit a nerve that day.Yah, no biggy smile.gif

Originally posted by RdHawg:
Stuka : Fenders are over rated anyway. All they do is get in the way. Go 35's! man the sawzall! Don the beer! Call the buds! It's cuttin' time!I dont want to regear :D (yah yah, I'm cheap)

[RdHawg]

Ya prolly won't need to. I got 3.54's pushin' 37's and it's not tooooo bad. As much wheelin as you do and ya don't need a hwy ggear you'll prolly be fine.

[Stuka]

I could goo 35's if I reallly wanted to hack out the back. As I have a granny 1st gear that I never normally use. But I would feel my axles would hold up better with 33's, and I "think" I should go most places that I want to. My 31's limited me to much at La Grange. I really wanted to try that hill that you and chris where on, but I didnt think I would make it over that top part. Although I really wish i would have at least tried :(

But ohwell, I want 33's on it by the time we do niagra this summer.

[letank]

>>> i would get stuck going to work, as AT's and 1+ ft of snow dont mix<<<<

and i am sure you still have a lot of snow.... this is incredible season

Michel

[Stuka]

Actually its melting like crazy with this warm weather. Sonora Pass opens tomorrow, so they have cleared it over the top and downn the nevada side.

[loborph]

To those of you who seem to be getting a little too 'involved' in this topic ... " awwhh Christ, I'm gettin all emotional from it"... Fat Bastard, 2001 - aka Mike Meyers, aka Austin Powers. Keep in mind he was talkin about taking a crap.