dual T-Cases

[AJ Johnson]

anyone got any info on dual T-cases? I have 2 NP203's, selling one, gonna make something out of the other... info on D20+NP203's and NP203+NP205's would be GREATLY appreciated! Also, places where I can get the adapters I need!

[blt2krl]

Here you go man.
Doubler Info (http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/doubler.htm)

[AJ Johnson]

grassyass man!!!
any more out there?

[scotty]

im planning on a 435/203/205 for my rig. its still in the planning stages at this point,but i plan on making my own adapters and simply having moser cut and respline the 203s outputsahft for the 205 input.

i still need to track down a 28 or 32 spline 205 to use. i have a couple of 205s that came from behind 465s,but i dont really want to use that one due the 10 spline male inputshaft will reguire me to consinue to use the drive sleeve.

i have this other notion that if i can find a ford divorced t case ill run it behind my d20 and swap a driver side drop axle back up front :cool:

[AJ Johnson]

scotty... mine is still in the planning stages as well... I need a 205 too.. I should prolly crawl under my blazer and see what I got under there.. When you get started, would you PLEASE keep some detailed drawings of whatever fabs and mods you do?? I'm a ****ty artist, lol! This is the kind of info that I'm looking for.. people that are doing it themselves, and what all is involved in the manufacturing process...
Thanks guys!! Keep the info coming!

[rockjeep44]

I know weight isn't an issue with most of you guys but I've spent the better part of the last two years trying to make me jeep a lighter/better climber. Just food for thought, the weight of a NP203/205 doubler is 254lbs and thats without counting whatever tranny you'll be running. The weight of the drivetrain I'm putting in my buggy, Atlas II 110lbs + KluneV 40lbs + NP435 135lbs comes to 285lbs. Something to think about cuz it all adds up sooner or later.
-Andrew

[AJ Johnson]

well, having a J3000 and soon to have a GM14 bolt rear and D60 front, a 454 BBC,soon to be a 500 caddy, TH400 tranny, trying to save weight is sort of a contradiction in terms! I believe that weight won't be a problem for me because the power to move this thing where I want it will definately be there, both with this 454 and with the 500 caddy.

[tuck]

i would still like to do more research on the d20-divorce 205 setup... I think that's a cheap way to get 4:1 gearing... we have the wheelbase.. might as well use it. :D

[FSJeeper]

I am running an Eaton Gear splitter/OD from a big ttuck, a SM 465, Doubler 203/NP205. About 500 lbs.
This to me was the best setup cause I have 32 speeds and can split any of them electrically with the switch for the Eaton. Have a 110 to 1 low ranger and everything in between plus I can cruise at 70MPH at around 2000 rpms which is perfect for the Turbo Diesel I have in it.

The doubler from ORD is worth the money and it saves so much time trying to cobble womething else together.

[scotty]

nother cool thing about the d20/divorced 205 idea is that one could then use the d20s unused front output to power a PTO winch :cool:

i agree 100% on the weight issue,and id love to go that route if i could. i cnat justify spending close to $4000 on a klunev/atlas in order to save 200 pounds :eek:

fsjeeper is prolly right on the doubler being worth the $$. the adapters do not look hard to fab,however,and it wil give me a great deal of satisfaction to have done it myself.

al johnson,im starting with a dodge 435/203 so im having issues with attacing the dodge tranny to an amc motor. certainly the easiest option will be to simply put the dodge tailsahft and adapter intoa ford 435 so then the whole thing will more or less bolt to my engine.

in a nutshell,i cut off the part of the chain housing to bolt back onto the range box. ill mill it flat,add a flat piece on top of that,space the piece for the transfer case to bolt to out accordingly with some tubing,weld it all solidly together. it may be somewht time consuming to cut all the pieces out and drill all the holes,but other than that doesnt look so bad at all. it will cost $40+ the gas to drive to moser(or to ship it,wichever i decide to do) to cut and respline the 203 tailsahft.

i dont know how soon ill be starting on it,but ill take pics as i go

[FSJeeper]

Scotty, a NP205 behind a Dana 20, cool!

I have heard of using U-joints, lockouts, etc. as fusable links but never a Tcase. The Dana 20 would be the perfect fusable link to protect the NP205 from damage. Why didn't I think of that?

Plus, Dana 20's are so small and light, you can eaily carry a few backups for when they break.

[AJ Johnson]

Hey FSjeeper, can you take some good closeups of your setup?? that looks kick-*** !!! I think I got an eaton lying around ehre somewhere... might be a possibility... if not, still, I wanna see how it looks!!
Thanks!!

[FSJeeper]

August will be the earliest I can take pics. I will be pulling the engine and drivetrain out at that time and will take a PIC of the entire assembly. It is about 5 feet long. lol

[tuck]

Originally posted by FSJeeper:
Scotty, a NP205 behind a Dana 20, cool!

I have heard of using U-joints, lockouts, etc. as fusable links but never a Tcase. The Dana 20 would be the perfect fusable link to protect the NP205 from damage. Why didn't I think of that?

Plus, Dana 20's are so small and light, you can eaily carry a few backups for when they break.You probably didn't think about it because it doesn't cost enough. :rolleyes:

No offense, but there are other ways to do things. Certainly Dana 20-Np205 isn't nearly as strong as a doubler. My 10 bolt isn't as strong as a dana 60 either... but I haven't broken it yet. I'm not as hard on parts as some people. And I recognize that I have weak links in my drivetrain, that's all I can afford at this time in my life.

I'm not as hard core as other people out there. I'll admit that. I could still benefit from a second transfer case. In my eyes, it is cheaper than re-gearing axles (one of which is a 10 bolt and not worth re-gearing)... it's cheaper than new gears for the dana 20 (already weak).. and it's a whole lot cheaper than getting the 203 and 205 behind a th400 for a doubler.

:D

[FSJeeper]

Hey Tuck,

Scotty and I like to take Shots at each other over the merits of the Dana 20. That is all. Just kiddin around. Nothing serious.

[blt2krl]

Originally posted by FSJeeper:
Scotty, a NP205 behind a Dana 20, cool!

I have heard of using U-joints, lockouts, etc. as fusable links but never a Tcase. The Dana 20 would be the perfect fusable link to protect the NP205 from damage. Why didn't I think of that?

Plus, Dana 20's are so small and light, you can eaily carry a few backups for when they break.By far the funniest **** I have read to day... LOL

[tuck]

FSJeeper, sorry for my over-reaction.. I didn't sense the inside joke. My Dana 20 hasn't grenaded yet, but I'm aware of its ability to do so. smile.gif

[rockjeep44]

Originally posted by blt2krl:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by FSJeeper:
Scotty, a NP205 behind a Dana 20, cool!

I have heard of using U-joints, lockouts, etc. as fusable links but never a Tcase. The Dana 20 would be the perfect fusable link to protect the NP205 from damage. Why didn't I think of that?

Plus, Dana 20's are so small and light, you can eaily carry a few backups for when they break.By far the funniest **** I have read to day... LOL</font>[/QUOTE]ROFL, I'm with ya there Paul!!!!

[AJ Johnson]

anyone got a setup where they have ran a shaft between 2 cases? how would that work, exactly? lol... my gawd....would be an interesting piece of hardware!

[scotty]

d20s as fusible links,fsjeeper,dont you get me started ;)

tuck,yes,the d20 harrasment with fsjeeper is good natured. we like to harrass one another,cause he doesnt give them enuff credit smile.gif

al,dodge and ford used divorced 203s and 205s that were supported by thgeir own crossmembers and had an input yoke on the front. they were connected to a 2wd tranny by a short drivesahft.

if i can find a ford divorced case,its front output will be on the driver side.make a crossmember to support it,and in swap in a driver side fornt axle. in true low,buck,getto fasion ill use an 83/84 disco axle hooked up to its own switch with a welded diff. :cool:

it will give me a 4:1 low and a lincoln locker i can steer with a flip of the switch smile.gif

[tomd]

Originally posted by scotty:
it will give me a 4:1 low and a lincoln locker i can steer with a flip of the switch smile.gif true ghetto.....

[AJ Johnson]

lmao....any of those divorced cases have a pass side drop?

[scotty]

dodge divorced t cases were pass side drop. im told chevy used them,too,but im not real sure in what. bout every chevy ive ever looked at has had a married t case. but if you found one in a chevy it would prolly be a pass side drop as well.

only thing then is that youll need to run it behind a driver drop married case in order to run the front shaft past it. that or modify the d20. i saw a pic over at pirate4x4 of a d20 that had the front output and gears cut off :eek: so that the guy could run itin front of a divorced pass side drop 205 and sneek the drivesahft past it. but then you lose that cool "run a pto off the front d20 output" option ;)

[ July 19, 2003, 03:34 AM: Message edited by: scotty ]

[AJ Johnson]

lol...well, the loss of a PTO isn't that big of a deal for me..I'd rather just have a 9000lb winch on a plate and hitch setup, that way I can move it front or rear as needed..

[FSJeeper]

IH used divorced NP205's that were passenger side.

[AJ Johnson]

on what models? I know where i can scrounge an old scout...

[FSJeeper]

Originally posted by AJ Johnson:
on what models? I know where i can scrounge an old scout...An the trucks and travellers. Scouts have married tcases.

[kyrel]

well I am running a ford 435/205 with a div. dodge/chevy 205 behind that.

I am plaining on useing the front out put on the fist 205 to drive a pto winch.

4-1 for the t-cases and just about bullet proof.

Now they just need to come out with those 3-1 for the 205.

Just a fyi they do make an adp to make a jeep d20 a div case. I have one too tongue.gif

[AJ Johnson]

do you have any pics?? of both if you can, but mainly of the D20.. where can I find the adapter?

[scotty]

AA makes one,novak may as well. kyrel picked his up used for cheap,and weve seen other ones go for $75-$150. i want to think theyre round $300 new,you might give AA a call http://www.advanceadapters.com

given the existance of divorced 205s,it doesnt make alot of sense to me to buy the divorced d20 adapter new.ypu could pick up a 205 for cheaper that woyuld be unquestionably stronger.

keep your eye on ebay,and the for sale forums at pirate4x4 and JU for a used one.

[ July 22, 2003, 05:24 AM: Message edited by: scotty ]

[AJ Johnson]

I'll do that... I'd still like some pics tho, so I can eyeball how it will look

[kyrel]

Originally posted by AJ Johnson:
do you have any pics?? of both if you can, but mainly of the D20.. where can I find the adapter?Sure I will get some pic as soon as I can.
But right now, I still have not put in the dual 205 set up. Still in the part collecting stage.

[Sambo]

ok i want to throw a bone out here and see what happens!!!
Wild Horses 4x4 has what they call the "cold duck setup" double 20's
i just wonder if someone was to call them and see if they can do the same with jeep d20's?????

[AJ Johnson]

*throws bone back* keep yer dawgs toys outta my yard!!
seriously, I think something could be fabbed.. just have to use different inputs, right?
What parts ya lookin for Kyrel? and a pic of your adapter would help too..

[kyrel]

sorry no you can not use a no bronco d20 to do that setup. The case are all different from the jeep/scout d20. But I do think that you could build your own