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06-24-2003, 02:26 AM
now that i'm trying to beef up my rig a little :rolleyes: i notice that i'm lacking in the t-case department. well, i'm not real sure how easy it would be to convert the t18a to a yoke in the rear to mate up with a 205. so i was thinking i might go with a 465/205 combo. thoughts?? i'll still would have a granny gear of 6.54 and still be iron cased (i like heavy parts). how easy would this be to mate against the 360? will the input shaft length be too short? i know you can fit a ford t18 into these jeeps but you have to bend the shifter. wonder if this would be the same kinda scenario? also, just for clarity, i like manuals not autos. ;)
06-24-2003, 02:40 AM
It'd prolly be just as easy(not as harder than) to keep what you've got and do the divorced tcase behind it...Depending on access to machining equipment... It would be a definite improvement, and if you run a tcase behind a D20 you're cutting the stress on the 20 in half because of torque multiplication/division... Take a look at the D20 doubler thread and you'll see that it really wouldn't be too hard...
Originally posted by JeepKahn:
It would be a definite improvement, and if you run a tcase behind a D20 you're cutting the stress on the 20 in half because of torque multiplication/division... i have thought about this before, but I don't know how true it is... even if the stress on the d20 is relieved, there is still the achilles th400-d20 adapter that needs to be worried about.
I am in the same boat, and I actually have a sm465/np205... but I like my auto, and I haven't grenaded my d20 yet. I am also kicking around the idea of the doubler...
06-24-2003, 03:29 AM
Everything in front of the divorced case would have the load cut in half, so it'd help the th400/d20 adapter issue as well... But I do see that you would be a perfect guineau pig for my other plan.... smile.gif
06-24-2003, 04:06 PM
Hey fag, here's some good info. It starts off about T18s but scroll down and there is good tech on the 435/205 and sheeeet. Go with the NP435/NP205. Scratch the SM465 like I scratch my butt.
[ June 24, 2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: rockjeep44 ]
06-24-2003, 04:27 PM
06-24-2003, 04:38 PM
465/205 is a good way to go. theyre a dime a dozen and can take every bit as much abuse as a 435 or t18.
a few of the guys in the local club run em behind amc motors-v8s and 6 cyls
the front bearing retainer is bigger on the 465,so youll need to open up the hole on a t176/t150 bell. the top 2 holes will then be very close. i think the guys running them here wobble out the holes and use a nut and bolt.
some 465s will have ears that line up with the bottom holes on the t150 bell,so you just need to drill the holes in thats the case with the tranny you pick up.if not,youll have to drill and tap a couple holes on the tranny,and drill a couple holes in the bell
the chevy input shaft is alittle shorter,so youll need to make a pilot bushing that sticks out of the crank alittle
use the amc pressure plate with a chevy disc.
hmmm,i cant remember if they use the chevy or jeep fork and throwout bearing. next time i see one of em ill find out for sure for ya...
of course,you will need to bend the shifter alittle for dash clearance since you wont have the long v8 t18 input shaft.
further questions? smile.gif
[ June 24, 2003, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: scotty ]
06-24-2003, 05:47 PM
spanks Dobosh, i tell you i get warm all over when you remind me of you scratching your butt. scotty thanks for the info. i'm gonna do some more research before i finalize anything. btw, how much do these combos run at most yards??
06-24-2003, 11:55 PM
Always here to help.
06-25-2003, 12:07 AM
we got one not too long ago in a complete $300 running parts truck smile.gif
round these parts the go from $100 to $300. ive seen guys sellin em for more,but i personally would not pay more than $200 for a 465/205. most people here want $100 for the tranny and another $100 for the xfer.
this is of course for the earlier model with the 10 spline shaft. over time the 10 spline shaft can twist off,but i wouldnt let that scare you,its not like the d20 tailsahft ;) it takes awhile for it to happen
the later model 465 with a 32 spline 205 will cost you more,typically round $500. this version will have a slide in rear output,so youll prolly want to figure swappin the outputshaft and housing from an older 205 to get the fixed yoke.
ive got 2 of em here-one is designated for the burb,one is designated for the jeep if i have too much trouble with the 20s
if i were you id start searching for axles and let that decide what tranny youre gonna use. if you come across a chebby or dodge 60 first,grab that and use the sm645/205.
if a ford 60 pops up first,grab it and use the 435/205
the 465 is just a tad more difficult to swap since you have to machine out the hole,but other than that its really 6 of 1 ,half dozen of the other.
one plus for the ford is that all the ford 435s have a 31 spline output smile.gif
06-25-2003, 03:58 AM
And ford dana 60s are high pinion. Can you say "bling bling" smile.gif
06-25-2003, 04:08 AM
this might change the collection of one tons. i was going for pass drop but now i gotta look for driver drop! dangit, and i thought this was gonna be easy.
06-25-2003, 05:02 AM
naw,its never easy :D
06-25-2003, 05:12 AM
whenever you come to a crossroads just build with the parts that are the most bling, and by bling I mean totally bling, and by totally bling I mean bling bling foo, and by bling bling foo I mean hardcore stand it up roast the tires and drive it home. then you'll never go wrong ;)
06-25-2003, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by rockjeep44:
whenever you come to a crossroads just build with the parts that are the most bling, and by bling I mean totally bling, and by totally bling I mean bling bling foo, and by bling bling foo I mean hardcore stand it up roast the tires and drive it home. then you'll never go wrong ;) Yeah, What He said... :cool:
06-25-2003, 08:19 AM
i need total blingation fo my rig foo. i can stand anything up but i do need it to get back home. now i might have to sell my tranny!! geez, and i just put a new clutch in it. i wonder if the input spline count will be the same. man that would be awesome if it was. well, i'm off to look.
06-25-2003, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by JeepKahn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by rockjeep44:
whenever you come to a crossroads just build with the parts that are the most bling, and by bling I mean totally bling, and by totally bling I mean bling bling foo, and by bling bling foo I mean hardcore stand it up roast the tires and drive it home. then you'll never go wrong ;) Yeah, What He said... :cool: </font>[/QUOTE]I would never say what he said. All that blinging is liable to get me slaped by my buddies around here!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!
06-25-2003, 12:52 PM
What about a Dodge NP435/NP205? Don't know much about them, but just thought I'd ask since it hasn't been mentioned yet. By the way Nick, if you sell your T18A/Dana 20 setup to some baby Jeeper you can probably get more for it than you would have to pay for any of these other trannies and 205s. I agree with Scotty though, get the axles first, and then decide which tranny to use. If you can get the Dana 60 and 14 Bolt for cheap, then do that because I've never seen cheap and Ford Dana 60 high pinion used in connection with each other. You'd also have to regear the axle since you probably won't find one laying around with 4.56 gears. The Ford high pinion would be my first choice if money were no object, but I think the CUCCV axles are the best deal.
06-25-2003, 01:46 PM
that's what i was thinking Will. i found another set but the dude wants 1600!! and another for 1700!! jesus, i'm screwed. anyway, i've gotta see what i'm going get first. i just thought i'd do a little research. thanks guys
06-26-2003, 01:15 AM
dodge 435 is not easily adaptable cause of the big long input shaft. i have a dodge 435/203 ill be using for my doubler.
the dodge bell is about an inch or so longer than the jeep bell. prollem with simply making a 1" spaver is that the hole for the fork also moves forward an inch,and the front bearing retainer for the throwout bearing to ride on is pretty short.if i sleeve the bearing retainer for a jeep t/o bearing,and make the sleeve alittle longer it may work,along with trimming 1/2 inch or so off the tip of the input shaft. thats assuming there enuff splines for disc contact.of course a custom pilot bushing will be needed as the pilot tip on the input shaft is different than the ford 435
novak will actually be making a whole conversion bellhousing to use with a dodge 435 to an amc motor,but its not out yet and will cost round $300 when it comes out
at this point in time i think the easies solution for the getting a 435/203 for the front part of my doubler is going to be to swap the dodge tailsahft and 203 adapter into a ford 435 tranny. then the bell bolts on and all i need is the conversion pilot bushing-no horsing around with making spacers,sleeving bearing retainers or trimming input shafts.
sanme deal if you want to use a 435/205-swap the dodge 205 tailshaft and adapter into the ford tranny.its prolly easier to swap the front axle to use the ford 435/205,or just use the 465 if you want to stick with a pass side diffy
06-26-2003, 02:42 AM
Scotty is like a d*mn dictionary or encyclopedia when it comes to trannies and t-cases. You've always got the answers man, I love it! OC, $1600 for a set of CUCV axles ain't that bad when you consider they already have 4.56s and a detroit in the rear. I usually see them sell for $1500 and thats a good price. Show up with 1500 cash and you'll be taking a set of axles home.
06-26-2003, 03:27 AM
you show up with cash in hand on friday and we'll go drinking. i know these prices aren't bad but they are if you're in college. i think college kids should get a coupon or something to use.
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