Floors and Manual Conversion Help needed

[cherofan79/00]

Hey everybody two questions cut the remainder of what could be considered floors out of my Chief and now I am needing something to replace them with wondering if anybody had any ideas? Secondly I am switching over to a T-18 np205 combo from the th400 quadratrac combo (this is for sale if anybody wants make offer qt is lowrange unit) and i am wondering what i am going to need to do to set up the clutch assembly mind you there is no dash cause that got ripped out during the gutting. Any help I can get would be great thanks

[Stuka]

How are you bolting an NP205 up to a T18?

As for the clutch, find a donor FSJ, and bolt it all in tongue.gif

[cherofan79/00]

I was thinking that the ford setup would work for that combo i don't have the t-case yet and if i didn't go ford couldn't i just get an adapter for it? Input here would also be great thanks.

[goldhammer]

If you go the ford 205 you are going to have to find a driver drop front axle. You will need the AMC bellhousing, might have to swap inputs on the 18, not sure on that, or maybe just a ford disc if the length is right, and the spline count is different. An 18 whiz will prob jump in with that info. Flywheels are available and not too bad on cost.

Edit: Bozz up in Bellingham had a set of floor pans for sale awhile ago, drop him a line. Gem makes them , ask for price and avail.

[ April 22, 2005, 11:48 AM: Message edited by: goldhammer ]

[twisted frame]

Check out this recent thread:
http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029084#000004

It's about replacing floors, using GEMOBX's replacement panels.

[cherofan79/00]

Thanks for the input, so far guys it has been a good deal of help. If I was wanting to keep my regular 44 upfront instead of doing a swap what would you suggest than for the t-case and the transmission?
Thanks

[goldhammer]

You could look for a GM or Dodge stick and 205 (70's to early/mid 80's) then adapt to the powerplant, or adapt your 18 to a d-300. Figure out what you want to spend and look at AA and Novaks

[Stuka]

The D300 is an NP bolt patern. Which means he might as well adapter to a GM/Dodge 205 if he is gona spend money on an round NP adapter. Unless you already have a fresh T18, I would go for an NP435/205 seup, they are easy to find and very easy to adapt.

[goldhammer]

I just tossed out the 300 option as a gear drive cast iron case with a better low range

[cherofan79/00]

Yeah the 435 was one that had been brought up before hand i have heard good and bad about them i don't know much bout em cept they have a really low first and that one bearing going out is the only problems my friend has had with the one he has in his ramcharger

[Stuka]

the 435 is just as good ast the T18 or SM465. I dont see any reason to not want to run one.

[JeepsAndGuns]

I have had several NP435's in a few diffrent trucks and know a few people who have them too. I have never had any problem with them and neither have they. I was going to put a NP435/NP205 in my cherokee to replace my T18/D20. But I run up on a good deal for a NV4500 so I am useing that instead.

[scotty]

just a coulple of things-
first,the ford t18 never came with a 205 AFAIK,only the 208

second,id avoid the dodge 435,unless you plan to run a dodge engine. i have a dodge 435,and the bell bolt pattern and longer input shaft are going to make it alot harder to adapt than a ford tranny.

a gm sm465 is slightly harder to adapt,but still not too bad. biggest issue with them is the 10 spline coupler between the male output on the tranny,and male input on the transfer case. over years of use/abuse these are notorious for developing slop,then eventually twisting off if the abuse continues :eek:

id use a ford tranny,cause they are plentiful and easy to adapt to the amc engine.there are a couple of options for the transfer case:

1) if you come across a ford t18/208 you can easily find a gm or dodge 208 and swap in the fords 31 spline input gear,thus creating a pass side drop 208 that bolts to the ford t18. only prollem here is slip rear yoke on the gm case(not sure what dodge uses)

2)find a ford 435/205. if you dont want the driver drop you can find a late model gm 205 with the same round NP mounting pattern. now you can disassemble both cases and assemble the gm 205 with the 31 spline input,and the ford fixed rear yoke.

#2 is the best option,IMO,since its all factory parts,and leaves you with a 31 spline input,and 31/32 spline front/rear outputs.not much more beef you could add.

if the above sound too complicated with swappign arund transfer case guts,then the best option would be to simply find a gm 465/205 and adapt that to keep the pass side drop axle. some info on that here: http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/465_to_amc.htm

[KYJ10]

or find a jeep t-18 and bolt up a ford 205 right to it? I think parts mike has the longer output, for cheap, then you will have plenty of shaft into the tcase. That way you get the bolt pattern solved. All 31/32 spline stuff.

[JeepsAndGuns]

Originally posted by scotty:
first,the ford t18 never came with a 205 AFAIK,only the 208Nope, not true. Me and my dad parted out a 78 F-250 that had a T-18 and a NP-205. They are out there, but not as common as the NP-435/Np-205.

[cherofan79/00]

Yea at some point somebody pulled the 360 that mine is supposed to have in it according to the tag and put in a 304 which i pulled and depending on what tranny t-case option i went with i was going to go with same engine brand so thats why the tranny post i had thought of the t-18 because a) my buddies dad had one in his shop he said i could have and b) cause i saw a bunch of you guys were running them

[Stuka]

You sure that wasnt a T19? The only ford T18-205 combos that I klnow of used a 2wd T18 and a devorced NP205. Otherwise they used a T19 or a NP435 with a 205.

[scotty]

ive also never heard of a 4wd t18 in 78. only 4wd t18s ive heard of, or run across, have had the 208 and been ni the early 80s era.

mr. guns,kinda sounds to me like a PO did some parts swapping on your 78 parts rig.

[waggin'ear]

FWIW I have seen a t18/205 combo in a 78 F250 snofighter package. still regret not buying it.

[ April 25, 2005, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: waggin'ear ]

[JeepsAndGuns]

Originally posted by waggin'ear:
FWIW I have seen a t18/205 combo in a 78 F250 snofighter package. still regret not buying it.Thats what this truck was.

Guys, I am 100% sure it was a T-18. NOT a T-19, this tranny was a T-18 with the granny first gear. My dad bought the truck for parts because it had a D-60 front in it. It was a 78 F250. At the time he had another F250 that was his daily driver, he put a D70 in the rear and wanted a D60 for the front. He found this truck and got a good deal on it. We put the D60 in his F250, and ended up selling the T-18 to another guy. We kept the NP205, D60 rear, andthe engine then junked the rest. A couple years ago he sold his F250 and got a 99 Ram with a cummings. I now have the NP205 from the truck we parted and the old HD D44 from his old F250, getting ready to put them in my Cherokee.

[cherofan79/00]

so before we got off track here is the general consensus that in wanting to keep my passenger side drop a dodge np435 and 205 would be a good combo if paired to a dodge engine correct?

[scotty]

Originally posted by cherofan79/00:
so before we got off track here is the general consensus that in wanting to keep my passenger side drop a dodge np435 and 205 would be a good combo if paired to a dodge engine correct?that is correct. at least,that is my opinion. ;) the dodge tranny will not be easy to adapt to a ford,amc,or chevy engine.

[waggin'ear]

Originally posted by scotty:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by cherofan79/00:
so before we got off track here is the general consensus that in wanting to keep my passenger side drop a dodge np435 and 205 would be a good combo if paired to a dodge engine correct?that is correct. at least,that is my opinion. ;) the dodge tranny will not be easy to adapt to a ford,amc,or chevy engine.</font>[/QUOTE]Ditto!

[cherofan79/00]

WooHoo, I am all for ease and convienence, i have something now to accomplish over summer, thus moving on from this what if any are the benefits of the gotcheyed off center 44 i have in the rear, also of note mind you the same genius who pulled the 304 seems to have lincoln locked the axle, i plan on scrounging around to see what i can find to replace this. Once again thank you all for the very helpful insight you all have provided.