Is this possible with a T18?

[KYJ10]

I am planning to go with the Klune over the winter. And I prolly will rebuild my t18 while I have everything apart. I know Im gonna add like 7.5" with the Klune. And I think the cj t18 is a short front shaft. As my truck version has the long shaft and spacer between bellhousing and tranny. Would it be possible to swap out the longer shaft, with the shorter shaft, and then gain space by not using the spacer? I can always bend and modify shifter. And do all the t18's have a spacer at the end so they can mate with the NP bolt pattern? Just wondering if I could loose that spacer too, and actually pick up a few more inches? Dennis

[Towtruck]

I just bought a spare long shaft and spacer (I have no idea why other than it was cheap) from a guy who was swapping a T-18 from an '84 J20 into a Cherokee. He converted to a short front shaft to make it fit, so that part can be done for sure. Not sure about the back end...

[ncjeepers]

Dennis,
I had a blast running with you at Uhwarrie.
You can use an input shaft from a Ford T18 (2wd or 4wd), it's a lot easier to find. You'll need to get a special pilot bushing from Advance Adapters. You'll also need a bellhousing from a late 70's CJ. I think those were fairly universal and match up to T-18's and T-150's.

[KYJ10]

Yea, hope to do it again! Sounds good. I need to start collecting parts. I need to do something, cause I was looking at a rear shaft that would be in the 20-25" range. And with coiled rear, I would need that real high dollar bad boy jr cause it would be a nasty angle. So no spacer, and Im really close to where I sit now. Dennis

[Sycho15]

Your T18 bellhousing should work without the spacer, otherwise a T-176 bellhousing from a 6-cyl SJ or pretty much any CJ will work.

I don't know what you mean about the rear "spacer" to mount to the 'case, except maybe you're talking about the transfer-case adapter? This needs to be there, as it houses the output shaft that the case slides onto and gives you room to bolt things up.

[scotty]

dennis,ive got a 4wd ford t18/208 that im gonna put in my xj. we put a t18 from an 83 j20(long shaft) into my friends xj,and using the long spacer put his shifter up thru the stock shifter hole,so id been toying with the notion of tracking down a long shaft to swap into my tranny so i dont have to hack up my console when the shifter ends up under the dash.

anyway,maybe we can just swap input shafts and bearing retainers,would be free and prolly work out better for both of us :cool:

on the other part,im sure that you could make a steel tranny to transfer case adapter and make it shorter,but youll need to shorten and respline the tailshaft accordingly. if you want it real short and dont want to fool with making adapters/resplining shafts,buy a d300 adapter and tailshaft for a ford t18,then you just need to buy the klune with a 23 spline input,and the 31 spline out for your 208 smile.gif that adapter is prolly only 3-4" long

[ June 22, 2004, 06:45 AM: Message edited by: scotty ]

[KYJ10]

Hopefully I will start pulling this apart in the fall, might be too long a wait for you? But if not, that will prolly be ok. Im gonna call some one who sells used tranny parts. I can prolly get the short output for $25 or less. My front bearing has been bad for some time, and I think It may have messed up my output shaft by wobbling around so much. As it has been grinding for months. I also may just buy a ford t18, as they are in the paper here all the time for $100-150. Dennis

[scotty]

yeah thats cool,im sure i wont get started on that before fall. if its in useable shape when ya get it apart let me know and ill pull mine apart and meet ya somewhere to swap it smile.gif

[KYJ10]

Just wondering, Im looking at some books that show all t18's as having the 6.32 low and another book shows some 18's having either a 4.32 or a 6.32. What gives? I can find the fords a plenty, but want to make sure I get the 6.32 version. Is there anyway or identifying marks between the two versions or are theyre two versions? Dennis

[scotty]

i get confused on the t18/t18A thing. i know all early cjs with the t18 had the 4.32 1st. later the t18a arrived and they could be either? i dont know.i know some later cjs did h ave the wide ratio tranny. not sure if ford used the close ratio tranny or not,and i have never seen or heard of a close ratio tranny being used in a FSJ. for whatever thats worth ;)

at any rate,there is no way that i know of to check the 1st gear other than to put it in 1st and count the turns of the input for 1 rev of the output.

if youre just getting the trans for the input shaft,i dont think it really matters if its a close or wide ratio,or if its 2wd or 4wd,the input should swap either way.

[ June 23, 2004, 05:22 AM: Message edited by: scotty ]

[odie green]

hey ky, im running a t-18(6.3-1) from a fsj in my cj with a novac shaft. do a search for novac and youll find them. their shaft got rid of that spacer and long shaft.

[Mikel]

Scotty,
As far as I know, Jeep used the T98 until 1969 or so, which was then replaced by the T18 (supposedly a cheaper version). I'm not aware of the T98 ever being offered with anything other than a granny first, or that this transmission was ever mounted in a CJ.

[scotty]

sorry for the confusion,by "early" i meant the early 70s cjs. i read somewhere that when the t18 first started appearing in cjs,they were all close ratio,but at some point later in the 70s you could get a t18a in a cj that was wide or close ratio. hafta try and figure out where i read that...

[mdill]

As far as the T18/T18A think,from personal
experiance, the wide ratio was was used in
76 CJ's and also 77 J-10 (Both had 258 engines).

Mike D.