What type of diesel motor can I put in my 83 chief selec trac

[83 chif]

What type of diesel motor can i put in my 83 cherokee chief selec trac? It now has the 258 I6. I need a diesel with enough power to move the five thousand pound animal. I heard of a suzuki, volvo, and vw engine lining up with a t5 which has the same bolt pattern as my transmission, but are those small euro motors powerful enough to move my truck? HELP!! thanks.....

[mdill]

None without many $'s, lots of time and effort.
Many with lots of the above !
Some are doing BT4's, BT6's Cummingis, more are doing 6.5L GM's, I am sure there are a few other odd ball
ones being used.

Mike D.

[ September 02, 2005, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: mdill ]

[83 chif]

So the VW, volvo and suzuki motors aren't powerful enough for my truck? What about a 2.4 diesel from an old s10? Any clue? thanks....

[tgreese]

Well Doug, you can read the specs as well as any of us here can. Compare to the power:weight of the donor vehicles and the gearing. Seems that noone here has used that small a diesel. Usually small engines into large vehicles gives a disappointing result though.

The folks in Asia (Pakistan and?) like the Toyota diesels. There's some coverage of those somewhere on the net.

Other than the Cummins and GM, you're probably going to be exploring new territory.

[Pakistan Jeep Guy]

The folks in Asia (Pakistan and?) like the Toyota diesels. There's some coverage of those somewhere on the net.

We use Toyota Diesel engines here in Pakistan. I have a 2B Toyota engine and bj60 tranny and diffs running my 79 Cherokee..
Ehsan

[Stuka]

Evenif they did bolt up, the T5 used in FSJ's is NOT a strong transmission. Plus your axle gears are pretty high. I would say you are better off building up the 258, getting a better transmission (NV4500) and putting in some 4.10 gears.

[J10-401]

True enough! The guys I knew with Mustangs in roadracing figured out that T5s have a "glass 3rd gear". Build a Ford with more than 350-HP and POP! I ran Super T-10s (AMC cars) and never had a glitch. Too bad AMC Jeep never made a Jeep with that great tranny! Lots of passenger cars had them with AMC V8s.

But there are places that claim they have fixed that now with the T5. Get a recent Mustang and Fast Fords magazine and check the ads in there to see if someone can rebuild a T5 for better reliabilty.

[The PIG Smith]

This a post I continue make at Diesel Swap Questions and each time, I try to add a little something to it

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Lot's of posts on this topic
I am sure I could found more, but I stopped at these links:

My 1990 Grand Wagoneer 6.2 Diesel project (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=39992)

6.2/6.5 diesel owners... (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=14988)

3.9L 4bt cummins (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=34101)

Diesel (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=3625)

My 6.2 Diesel GW (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=22615)

non turbo 6.5 Diesel on E-bay (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=5911&page=2)

Project update... (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=27701)

6.2L Diesel in a J20 (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=18718)
Here are OhioJ20's comments from this post made on February 20, 2005:

Alright guys!! I'm in NE Ohio, close to Akron. The J20 got her 6.2 two years ago. It came from a 1984 GMC Van. It had the TH 700 tranny, but I didn't have the money to buy an adaptor for it to my t-case.

Alright, we removed all the electrical wiring that was for the engine, glow plug wiring, wait to start light, water in fuel light, etc. I also used the motor mounts, but had to make new frame mounts to put on the J20. We used the ignition wiring for the J20. Oh, took out the glow plug relay also. Wiring wasn't that bad, and no polution crap to worry about. The motor fits in snug around the heater box and the brake booster. We did use the Jeep brakes, as GMC uses hydrulics for brakes, but wouldn't hurt to have a belt driven vaccuum pump as well as the gear driven one.

Now, the 6.2 has the same bellhousing as a Chevy 350, as for the bellhousing a bought from a bone yard was for a 350. Now, we had to get an 1/4" steel plate to make our own adaptor for the bellhousing and the T-18. Luckily my cousin is a true machinist. So, that saved the money from Advance Adaptors, which want $300 for the same thing.

The great thing is, I can access the glow plugs from inside the fender, and it is ALOT easier than changing spark plugs from a AMC 360!!

As for how I like it. I LOVE it when it is above 45 degrees out! If you don't plug it in when it gets colder, it is a pain to start. Also, you don't have the room for the two batteries GMC uses. Need to get the biggest cranker you can squeeze in there.

I also had to use the van's filler nozzle, or you couldn't fill the truck up with the stock jeep nozzle. I also had to cut out the area into the tank, to allow a bigger pipe to go in(diesel foams when filling). Another perk, I put in the van's 30 gallon tank where my spare tire goes, so I now have 48 gallons at 22 MPG, you do the math!

Towing: It doesn't take off like some madden woman, but tows great. It did get hot on a real long grade, but didn't over heat. I also used the stock AMC 3 core on it, just had to get the ports changed. I would recommend a 4 core, that is what I have for the GW. I also bought an electric exillery fan to use to prevent that on the J20. The gearing in the J20 and the T-18 is perfect for a 6.2 I will get pictures of the set up soon, the J20 is covered up for the Winter so Ohio Salt doesn't eat her up!

Now, the GW is a work in progress, I have the motor, but I am currently in the process of body work and paint. My plan is to use the TH 700 from the van, but I got a TH 400 that came with the Suburban for the GW. My only concern is the weight of the motor on the front axle of the GW.

Now, if I left anything out, let me know or feel free to ask more! E-mail me if you want at piakp@yahoo.com (piakp@yahoo.com)

There are two members here that have GM Diesels in their FSJ
OhioJ20 has a 6.2L in a J20 Pickup truck
He is also working on a 6.2L in a 1990 Grand Wagoneer

DieselSJ has a 6.5L Turbo in his 1987 Grand Wagoneer

FSJeeper has been involved in several of these 6.2/6.5 swaps over the years
Currently he has a fresh cherokee WT frame loaded with a built Turbo 6.2/6.5, eaton fuller gearsplitter/OD, SM465/doubler NP203/205 on built one tons.

The following is a reply that FSJeeper made about I comment I posted:
I believe it was you that suggested that a person could get an easy 300 horsepower from a 6.2

Well, not easy to get 300 HP because it requires a complete rebuild and some expensive parts. Following the 6.2/6.5 page GM diesel buildup, I went with the penisular teflon/ceramic pistons with 18 to 1 compression ratio. BD cam gear drive with advance, 6.5 heads, J series intake, bosch glow plugs, upgraded injectors and injection pump, etc., etc. On top of that, the engine was blueprinted as much as that can be done. Heads flowed, rotating assembly lightened and balanced as an assembely including HB and flywheel/pressure plate. Max torque and HP at at 1900 rpms. A build like this costs several thousand dollars.

It got 20 MPG in a 10,000 lb decked out M715 (4.56 gears) and I expect about 25 mpg in the Cherokee with the OD and 3.54 gears. Should be chugging along at 1900 rpms at 70 MPG and with the gear splitter/OD and doubler setup, I have 32 speeds.

Downside of the diesel is the inability to spin high rpms for sand and mud. The doubler is for the 4 to 1 low range to best utilize the 3200rpm redline the diesel has. Theoretically sitting on top of 3000 rpms or so and the 4 to 1 low should take care of the sand and mud issues a diesel norammly has.

Search on their names and their posts will provide lots of excellent info!

[J10Mike]

The Nissan diesel out of a 80s CJ10 tug (military surplus) will bolt into an 80s FSJ. The TF727/NP208 combo bolts to the Nissan block.
Tha bad thing is you can't hardly find them anywhere.

[mdill]

The Nissan diesel out of a 80s CJ10 tug (military surplus) will bolt into an 80s FSJ. The TF727/NP208 combo bolts to the Nissan block.
Tha bad thing is you can't hardly find them anywhere.

Pretty easy to find, you just have to buy the CJ10A tug that it is in, then rebuild it. (I would love to see a 2.4L in a FSJ, man that would be slow !)

Mike D.

[J10Mike]

I know that Mike...it's just info for those looking for a bolt in diesel.