what about this swap?

[YaZahX]

I was looking in the FSJ FAQ and as I read about the x cases I was wondering what I would have to do in order to get the Borg-Warner 1339 in my jeep, I have the 727, I guess that would have to go too right?

I dont like my np208, I know I havent given it a chance but I just dont like it...Just the concept alone I dont like (I am such a PITA I know...)

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John Z.
My 82 Larado (http://www.virtue.nu/yazahx/jeep1.htm)
YaZahX@aol.com
"Yes that is a Real Jeep, yes the Jeep is older than me."
1982 Cherokee Larado
Edelbrock cam
Edelbrock intake manifold
Holley Projection
31” BFGoodrich

[JeepFreak]

Pretty simple really...Just get an older doner rig and take the TH400 and QT and maybe the crossmember and swap it in. Then you will need to take the axles from the donor rig as well because of the offset.??? You may not even need the TH400 but I'm not sure if the QT was offered behind the 727.

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JeepFreak

[This message has been edited by JeepFreak (edited April 24, 2001).]

[River Beast]

QT was only offered behind the TH400 from 73-79 in Wags Cheros and some smaller jeeps such as the CJ7.

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Todd
"River Beast" (http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk)
http://home.earthlink.net/~riverbeast/rbthnl.jpg
14" of total Lift on 39.5" Swampers
44's locked with 4.89's
...and other stuff...
My Original FSJ site (http://www.geocities.com/spazz4life)
riverbeast@earthlink.net
"When approaching an intersection, remember...
the vehicle with the BIGGEST TIRES has the right of way..."

'93 3/4 ton 4x4 Suburban...a.k.a. "FSJ Hauler"

[Snakeyes_Tx]

Being driver's side drop, and centered rear... and a later model rig.. I really think the 208 is truly the best choice that came from the factory for our rigs! What's wrong with yours? The BWQT is still chain-driven.. and the chain is always driving the wheels! Even though the chain is a little thicker than the 208's... I'd imagine it still wears out faster! Also, its aluminum cased! So there's no strength advantage to it.

To swap it in, you'll need first off, the case, the linkages, and the E-drive switch. You'll have to hook up all the vaccum stuff to the switch. You'll have to swap your front axle to a passenger side dropped one, and your rear axle to a passenger side offset Dana 44 rear. Driveshaft lengths will have to be changed up a little too. Also.. you're gonna need a TH400 and torque converter because of the fact that the QT only came behind the TH400 tranny, never the 727.

You sure you wanna do this? If you're looking for full-time 4-wheel drive, you may have better luck finding yourself an NP219 Quadratrac. I think that outputs to driver's side and also center's out in the rear and doesn't have E-drive to make it act like a part-time case. Also, you could find a Dana 300 from a 80's CJ if you want something a little more durable. 205's can be swapped in with a little modification but the crawl is mediocre, and the case hangs down below the frame-rail. Dana 20's and 18's are popular swaps, but then there's the whole axle and linkage swap issue, and you'll need a costly adapter!

I went through *3* NP228's before I did the 208 swap, and I'll tell ya, my J-20 and I go through some seriously nasty trails and it's held up flawlessly. A well maintained 208 is pretty awesome! I'm probably just going to throw a steel underbelly plate to keep it from getting whacked by rocks, but other than that, I've landed on a case I can depend on till I get my hands on an Atlas II!

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Snakeyes_Tx
86 J-20 "The Rusty Dinosaur"
360/727/208/44HD/60 <- 2nd of all of them.
"If you don't know what the numbers mean, you don't need to be here!"


[This message has been edited by Snakeyes_Tx (edited April 24, 2001).]

[jeepbob]

John, by going to the 1339 (the original quadratrac)you will not gain much. You will still have chain drive t/case and you will get a limited slip diff, but you will also get fulltime 4wd. You will lose the 2wd choice, a little bit of low range gear (2.61 for the 208 vs 2.57 for the 1339) and will have to use expensive special sauce. 208 parts are real easy to find as Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Jeep all used versions of it.
Unless you have a real good T400 and 1339 in a truck with the axles it would not be worth the effort to change it over.

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65 wag. 360/edelbrock rb4/t400/20 t-case/4:10 d27/d44 tracloc/onboard air/onboard 110v power(no inverter)/1999 Lincoln t.c.leather buckets/taurus ctr console/winch/33x12.50/tunes/water proof door pads
soon to have new motor/d44frt/d60r(4:10)welded diff/custom bumpers
see ya in da mud

[401chief]

whats wrong w/ a chain drive, have u ever seen that chain. is massive. seems like it would be awful hard to hurt it

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Red '76 Cherokee Chief w/ 401(no cat)
Edelbrock carb and intake
Edelbrock Performer cam
Milidon timing gears
MSD 6a offroad ignition
MSD distributor
Heddman headers w/ dual exhaust
half dead th400
noisy QT
missing glove box
no radio
worn suspension w/ original shocks from 1976
a black fender
and a saggy head liner that hits my head every time i go over a speed bump


"If it ain't broke, then fix it 'till it is"

[River Beast]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 401chief:
whats wrong w/ a chain drive, have u ever seen that chain. is massive. seems like it would be awful hard to hurt it

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehehe...don't be so sure.... if PO's didn't take care of it...SERIOUS damage could take place....look...check out Jeep Freak's experience with a blown chain... http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001067.html

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Todd
"River Beast" (http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk)
http://home.earthlink.net/~riverbeast/rbthnl.jpg
14" of total Lift on 39.5" Swampers
44's locked with 4.89's
...and other stuff...
My Original FSJ site (http://www.geocities.com/spazz4life)
riverbeast@earthlink.net
"When approaching an intersection, remember...
the vehicle with the BIGGEST TIRES has the right of way..."

'93 3/4 ton 4x4 Suburban...a.k.a. "FSJ Hauler"

[This message has been edited by River Beast (edited April 25, 2001).]

[BobBarry]

Forget the BW QT; the NP219 QT case would be a bolt-in, only require a shorter rear driveshaft, and give you both full-time and part-time 4wd HI, plus a part-time 4wd LO.

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Bob Barry<UL TYPE=SQUARE>* '78 Cherokee 4-door
* '88 Grand Wagoneer[/list]http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

[jeepbob]

what's wrong with sticking with the 208, it is simple, durable, and already in the truck?
And with the 219 you start getting into parts availbility again.

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65 wag. 360/edelbrock rb4/t400/20 t-case/4:10 d27/d44 tracloc/onboard air/onboard 110v power(no inverter)/1999 Lincoln t.c.leather buckets/taurus ctr console/winch/33x12.50/tunes/water proof door pads
soon to have new motor/d44frt/d60r(4:10)welded diff/custom bumpers
see ya in da mud

[YaZahX]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobBarry:
Forget the BW QT; the NP219 QT case would be a bolt-in, only require a shorter rear driveshaft, and give you both full-time and part-time 4wd HI, plus a part-time 4wd LO.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don’t like that the 208 is a 50/50 split I would rather it act like a regular case than that, with the bw it has limited slip.. And the vacuum, so I look at it like, your driving you get stuck flick the vacuum switch and get out or if I get the arb diff (I wish) lock them and have all 4 turn at one time...

And the 219 is a bolt in but is it limited slip? And I thought the 219 was just a 4 hi and lo

I do not plan on doing this anytime soon, I just wanted to get an idea of what it would need... I don’t plan to spend alot of money for it, if I see an ad for under 1000 ill get it...

Also I hear that the th400 is that much better than th 727. But like I said, I just got it so ill play but if the tranny goes anytime soon I’m not even going to rebuild it...


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John Z.
My 82 Larado (http://www.virtue.nu/yazahx/jeep1.htm)
YaZahX@aol.com
"Yes that is a Real Jeep, yes the Jeep is older than me."
1982 Cherokee Larado
Edelbrock cam
Edelbrock intake manifold
Holley Projection
31” BFGoodrich

[River Beast]

the QT is like a limited slip..... it transfers power to the wheel with LESS traction. now the E-drive does your 50/50 split, but you are 100% locked when e-drive is engaged.

As stated before, the BW1339 is a pass/pass drop on the QT output shafts.... you would need the passenger side offset front and rear axles from the donor vehicle as well.

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Todd
"River Beast" (http://home.earthlink.net/~tjnkk)
http://home.earthlink.net/~riverbeast/rbthnl.jpg
14" of total Lift on 39.5" Swampers
44's locked with 4.89's
...and other stuff...
My Original FSJ site (http://www.geocities.com/spazz4life)
riverbeast@earthlink.net
"When approaching an intersection, remember...
the vehicle with the BIGGEST TIRES has the right of way..."

'93 3/4 ton 4x4 Suburban...a.k.a. "FSJ Hauler"

[BobBarry]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by YaZahX:
I don’t like that the 208 is a 50/50 split I would rather it act like a regular case than that, with the bw it has limited slip.. And the vacuum, so I look at it like, your driving you get stuck flick the vacuum switch and get out or if I get the arb diff (I wish) lock them and have all 4 turn at one time...

And the 219 is a bolt in but is it limited slip? And I thought the 219 was just a 4 hi and lo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The NP219 has both a Full-time (differentiated, with a viscous-coupler) 4wd Hi mode and a Part-time (driveshafts locked together) 4wd Hi mode, so you wouldn't even need to twist a vacuum-knob; just pull the lever and keep on going. Parts are still available, though the only thing more expensive than the NP208 is the Viscous coupler itself ($350).

I like using the full-time 4wd on the street, in wet or in snowy conditions. I've found that engaging a part-time 4wd mode in the same conditions seems to make the truck more squirrely than stable.

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Bob Barry<UL TYPE=SQUARE>* '78 Cherokee 4-door
* '88 Grand Wagoneer[/list]http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

[jeepbob]

If ya want awd buy an Astro van, If ya want to play in the goo you want the 50/50 split to keep ya goin' (just kidding about the Astro van, would only wish one of those rolling junkheaps on my x mother in law)

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65 wag. 360/edelbrock rb4/t400/20 t-case/4:10 d27/d44 tracloc/onboard air/onboard 110v power(no inverter)/1999 Lincoln t.c.leather buckets/taurus ctr console/winch/33x12.50/tunes/water proof door pads
soon to have new motor/d44frt/d60r(4:10)welded diff/custom bumpers
see ya in da mud

[YaZahX]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeepbob:
(just kidding about the Astro van, would only wish one of those rolling junkheaps on my x mother in law)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LMAO!!

Anyway...I am going to listen to all of you! If I change my case I will get the 219 not the 208...unless my tranny blows up or I get a jeep that has the th and bw for less than 500

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John Z.
My 82 Larado (http://www.virtue.nu/yazahx/jeep1.htm)
YaZahX@aol.com
"Yes that is a Real Jeep, yes the Jeep is older than me."
1982 Cherokee Larado
Edelbrock cam
Edelbrock intake manifold
Holley Projection
31” BFGoodrich

[401chief]

will the 219 bolt in place of a 1339?

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Red '76 Cherokee Chief w/ 401(no cat)
Edelbrock carb and intake
Edelbrock Performer cam
Milidon timing gears
MSD 6a offroad ignition
MSD distributor
Heddman headers w/ dual exhaust
half dead th400
noisy QT
missing glove box
no radio
worn suspension w/ original shocks from 1976
a black fender
and a saggy head liner that hits my head every time i go over a speed bump


"If it ain't broke, then fix it 'till it is"

[jeepbob]

nope

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65 wag. 360/edelbrock rb4/t400/20 t-case/4:10 d27/d44 broken power lok/onboard air/onboard 110v power(no inverter)/1999 Lincoln t.c.leather buckets/Lincoln ctr console/winch/33x12.50/tunes/water proof door pads
soon to have new motor/d44frt/d60r(4:10)welded diff/custom bumpers
see ya in da mud