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Bob Barry
08-05-2001, 12:57 PM
I bought my '78 Cherokee (HD springs, 6200lb GRVW) to haul the occasional load; I don't do it very often, but tomorrow is one of those times, so I have a few questions.

I'm planning on carrying six cast-iron steam radiators to a sandblaster's to be redone. Five of them are real heavy babies (~100-200lbs each, I'm guessing). Most are loaded between the wheelwells, with only one lying on the floor between the wheelwells and the tailgate.

The tail is sagging under the weight; the rear springs have a bit of negative arch, and the axle is about two finger's-width from the bumpstops. I've got 48psi in my 31" load-range C tires, and I'm planning on limiting my highway speed to 50mph (I'm making the 20 mile trip at 6:30am tomorrow).

My fully-loaded '88 GW weighs about 5000lbs with my family sitting in it, so I'm figuring that the Cherokee (no power, no A/C, no insulation, no carpet) is a good 500lbs less. Figuring a generous estimate of a 1200lb load, me at 150lbs and a 1/4 tank of gas, I'm figuring I'm well under the 6200lb max GRVW.

So my question comes down to this: how much negative arch on the rear springs is normal for a full load? Is the design for the springs to be flat under full load, or is the way my truck is reacting to a full load consistent with the factory design-limitations? Anyone done hauls like this on a regular basis?

Ralph
08-06-2001, 03:11 AM
My Jeep has twice carried over 1,000 lbs. in back. The first time I carried just a tad over that weight in barbecue sauce (company I used to run) from Youngstown to Buffalo, on icy highways, in 4WD the entire way.

More recently, my DS (but pretty) rommate brought home 25 x 60 lbs. bags of mulch, the front of my Jeep pointing upward like a speedboat trying to launch. Sheesh!

These Jeeps are tough. I'd say you'll be fine.

ClarkGriswald
08-06-2001, 03:19 AM
Ive had mine squatting down pretty far.. once with a car trailer loaded to the hilt with lumber, and again last week when I loaded a But-load of wood in the back to bring up to the dunes for firewood.

Seemed to handle it fine except for my 2.72 gears which makes me want to put on tires from a festiva mabye , or a ford shnauzer(miata).

Ralph
08-06-2001, 03:21 AM
Clark, I get the feeling that he's probably already completed the trip!

Bob Barry
08-06-2001, 04:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ralph:
Clark, I get the feeling that he's probably already completed the trip!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I guess the "Jeep Instant Response Network" was running a little slow last night... ;)

It made it fine. I kept the speed down to 50mph, and I never even hit the bumpstops. The engine didn't even notice the extra weight, and the wheel-bearings (my only real concern) didn't even hint at any trouble.

I was pretty certain it would be no problem; when I went out this morning, I peeked under the GW, and realized that those springs are ALWAYS sagging as much as my Cherokee's were under that load! Probably the only reason my GW doesn't ride on the bumpstops is that the bumpstops have rusted away...

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement; I make the return trip on Thursday to pick them up, confident that I'll have no problems.

As a side note, an E-350 van here at work may be junked pretty soon, so I may have a line on the D60 rear axle from it. If that comes through, then I'll have to mount it with a shackle-flip and source a Suburban 3/4-ton front for an SOA. Sure, it will ride higher, but I don't think I'll have to worry about load capacity then... smile.gif

Snakeyes_Tx
08-06-2001, 05:10 AM
Bob, I used to load up the back of my J-20 bed full over the top with dirt/clay. The stock and blocked rear springs would arch IN ad much as my 4" superlift springs up front arched OUT. When I was done, they'd kick right back to "flat" and normal ride height. I was REAL close to the bumpstops. I just tried to keep it slow and smooth the whole time. No problem the whole time. I did this with an AMC 20 rear, and a Dana 60.

wagdriver
08-08-2001, 06:58 AM
You can for the most part depend on the Jeep to carry what ever you put in it. I have loaded mine several times to the point of worry. I think the main thing is to do what you did, air the tires up so that the side walls arn't buldging and drive reasonably. I had to replace the rear wheel bearings but that was at around the 100k mark, so I can't really blame it on the over loading. These things are pretty tough and very useful for theses kinds of situations.