woh...woh...WOH...got no pressure spring? got no spring cup?

[SlickKipper]

OK. I'm repacking/replacing m'wheel bearings. Never done this before, but I figure between a Haynes and a factory shop manual, what can happen?

Well...

The factory shop manual says it goes:

drive gear cap -got it
retaining ring -got it
drive gear -got it
pressure spring -pressure spring?
pressure spring -pressure spring?
YES! pressure spring you dope! -p..pressure spring??

I got NO pressure spring in there.
NO pressure spring.

What I do pull out next is what MIGHT be the spring cup,
but the diagram in the manual has it lookin' like a thicker, complete ring,
and what I pulled outa'there was a ring that's flatter and wider and "open"

then what i see next is what appears to be the outer locknut.

anybody?
please?

Slick (REAL slick) Kipper

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[joe]

SK, there is definitley supposed to be a pressure spring in there. http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/frown.gif

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Regards,
-joe
63 2-dr Wag, 72 J-4000, 73 J-4000, 82 CJ-8

[SlickKipper]

eeesh...

[gbarrett]

By chance, were manual hubs put on at some point? The previous owner of my GW had the bearings replaced and the hubs weren't replaced correctly. SO, I purchased some Warn hubs (manual) and put them on so my front wheels would engage. Anyway, it's very possible they were omitted during a previous repair.

Just a thought.
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[JeepFreak]

I know the hubs are different but I have some spare spings and cups if you need them. They are from a 75 D44. I am not going to go tear into the 85 wag to see if they will fit but if you want them you can have them for shipping.

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JeepFreak

[SlickKipper]

gbarrett: Y'know, I bought this GWag off the proverbial "little old lady" and I just can't imagine her or her husband ever having manual hubs put on. Only thing I can think that mighta' happened was maybe her son (who'd used the car for about a half a year before I got it) got in there and "gummed it all up" with a bad repair job. Funny you should mention putting on manual hubs. When I took this situation to the guys at the local Autozone, they said I'd "probably be better off just putting manual hubs on" I must be missing something because I don't really see the wisdom in that. Far as I can tell the spring in there only keeps the drive gear from sliding back and forth, so why not just replace that spring instead of putting in new hubs? Am I not getting 4wd if I don't have that spring in there?

SK

[SlickKipper]

JeepFreak: I appreciate the offer. Maybe someone here'd be able to tell us if they'd fit, in which case I'll be takin' y'up on your offer, supposing the dealership's gonna do to me what the dealership'd do to me everytime I go to that ding dangity dealership.

Anybody know?

SK

[joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JeepFreak:
I have some spare spings and cups if you need them. They are from a 75 D44. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JeepFreak and SlickKipper, I don't have the parts books for 89+ but the springs and cups are the same part numbers from 74-88. So it's a pretty safe bet they'll work fine on an 89.

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-joe
63 2-dr Wag, 72 J-4000, 73 J-4000, 82 CJ-8

[Ralph]

SlickKipper, there are no pressure springs in the hubs of Grand Wags. Those are for manual hubs.

The procedures for reassembling the hubs in y our vehicle are as follows (memory only here, no manual at hand):

* Repack inner bearing with grease and drop it into back of rotor/hub assembly;

* Press inner bearing seal in place such that it is flush with the hub's rim (I use a piece of 2x4 and a hammer for this);

* Smear a thin layer of grease on the spindle, then slide the rotor/hub assembly with inner bearing and seal onto the spindle;

* Repack outer bearing with grease and slide it onto the spindle;

* Start the inner locknut (the one with the little peg on it) onto the threaded portion of the spindle, and turn the rotor back and forth while tightening the inner locknut using a 4-prong spanner socket; tighten the inner locknut to 50 ft-lbs while continuing to turn the rotor back and forth;

* Slide the locknut retaining ring in place and, if necessary, back the locknut out just enough so that the little peg fits into one of the holes in the retaining ring;

* Install the outer locknut similar to the way the inner locknut was installed, again tightening to 50 ft-lbs while turning the rotor back and forth (this helps to seat the bearing properly onto the spindle);

* Slide the bearing sleeve (or cup) into the hub far enough in that it meets the outer bearing (you may find it helpful to compress or squeeze the sleeve to sort of get it started);

* I don't know what the part is called that you install next, but it has teeth on the outside to fit into the rotor/hub assembly teeth, and teeth on its inner orifice to fit onto the spindle; slide this part in and turn the rotor until you are able to seat this part completely against the bearing sleeve;

* Pull the axle shaft spline out as far as possible, and fix a snapring on the innermost groove possible (there should be two grooves); you can fix a second snapring onto the outermost groove as a safety precaution but otherwise don't worry about it.

* Tap the hub cover in place (I use a rubber mallet).

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[BobBarry]

SK,

Jeep switched from the spring/cup setup to a solid sleeve sometime before '88. I converted to the spring/cup setup from a '79. I suppose either works. The main purpose is to keep the stub-shaft seal seated in the inner-spindle recess.

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* '88 Grand Wagoneer[/list]http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

[SlickKipper]

Well that's a relief. Guess I can get on with it now. Thanks Bob.

...and Ralph, thanks for the detailed instructions. They should come in handy since the factory shop manual idn't writ right.

[andy d]

yup Bob Barrys right , a feww months ago, i did a frnt axle u-joint. instead of the bed spring there was this sleeve thingy. i thought i'd been Po'ed but BB set me straight. basically the 88 is the same as an 84 except it is built cheaper imho

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'88 gwag,pure stock

[SlickKipper]

OK sounds good guys.

now, is the wheel bearing lock nut driver any special size a' 4-prong, or is it just the only 4WD-4-prong I'm able to find at the auto parts store?

http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/smile.gif

[andy d]

a-zone only had a ford. both the 84 and the 88 were on only screwdriver/hammer tight http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/biggrin.gif not really what i had in mind but it s been fine sofar.

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'88 gwag,pure stock

[SlickKipper]

rats...guess I'll have t'return th'Ford one...