SOA W/O High Steer

[Wagillac]

Heimeken and others that have done SOA but still have stock steering how bad is it?
I have a 4" DPA which would help some. I know high steer realy should be done but thats more $$ that could change if im able to get it back to runinng/driving condition or not. As I still need drivelines and a bunch of misc parts.

Right now I have Scout II knuckles with 5x5.5 and external hubs, but I have a couple extra wag D44s so if i want to go to high steer I would need to swap the knuckles and spindles from a wag(flat top) and get 76-86? F150 rotors to keep the 5x5.5 bolt patern. I also would need to get some internal hubs as my extra axles all have lockouts or external hubs.

[Panther]

Evan,
Most use the F150 hub and rotor with the small bearing early drum brake spindle. I have seen this on numerous sites but these spindles are hard to come by so I used d*dge instead. A d*dge hub/rotor will bolt directly in place of the wag hub / rotor and be 5 lug. That's what I did in a recent conversion from external to internal hubs.
Hubs / rotors (http://www.panther4x4.com/images/dodge_hubs_2.JPG)
Spindles / outer shafts (http://www.panther4x4.com/images/dodge_hubs_1.JPG)
I know that does really help with the steering question but thought I would share...
Lee

[Wagillac]

Thanks for the information. What years and what aplications have the spindles for the F150 Hub/Rotor? What years and models of dodge hub/rotor could I use?
I am glad to get any information about the 5x5.5 swap and swaping of all diferent parts. Does the dodge rotor work fine with the jeep/gm caliper?

[ June 24, 2003, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Evan FSJ ]

[Wagillac]

From what I have been reading on pirate I just need pre 76 or 78 GM spindles, and that the spindles on my 74 wag front will work, with F150 hubs/rotors.

[JeepingMoose]

I have a SOA with stock springs and no dropped pitman arm...MAJOR bumpsteer! Added to that is the pitman arm is no longer centered, but angled to the passenger side, and I have an unsafe rig! :(
I did lower the brake line brackets to compensate, though, and my drivelines have no splines showing at full droop, so I count myself lucky in that regard. I HAVE been driving it around town, though :eek: , cause Jeepers HAVE to have their fix! LOL!
I am in the process of a crossover conversion as we speak, so my problems should be nil after. smile.gif

[Glenn_tx]

I'm using stock springs and 4" pitman arm and it seems to work fine. Haven't noticed much bump steer at all.
I did have to heat and bend the drag link slightly to clear the spring at full lock.

Oh yeah, JeepingMoose,
if I recall correctly the splines aren't visible on the front driveshaft even at full extension.

[ June 24, 2003, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: GlennTX ]

[JeepingMoose]

Evan, I am not hijacking your post! Glenn's answer should pertain to you also.
Glenn, how far can you extend the front shaft before you notice splines? All the way apart? ;)
Any ideas?

Mike

[Wagillac]

Thanks Glenn thats what I want to hear. I definitly would plan on high steer in the future but have other things that are higher on the list of thinks that take $$, if stock sterring will get be by.
I would be asking the same question about my drive shaft but I know I will need to have mine retubed because I moved the engine/trans/tc back an inch besides switching to SOA.

[Panther]

I'm not sure of the years for f150 and d*dge, just as long as it's a dana 44. And yeah, it worked fine with the FSJ caliper, I think it's the same hub and rotor, just 5 lug instead of 6.

[Wagillac]

The hub is slightly different on the ford than the jeep/gm i think but they interchange fine. Somthing is different on the ford because they have slightly shorter outer axles but they are said to interchange fine.

[jode]

I've heard that the steering arms on the scout stuff are longer than jeep...and that the Scout pitmans were correspondingly longer....

so if you are using a stock (short) Jeep pitman in combination with the long scout arms, you will have the turning radius of a schoolbus....

just a thought....

[Wagillac]

yeah that is true if you dont redrill/taper the arm closer to the knuckle. I am pretty sure that im going to ditch the scout stuff, and go to normal gm/jeep flat tops and ford rotors.
The scout stuff would be alright for a SUA setup if you redrill/taper the arm for the tierod to come in from the top instead of the bottom which would get you higher steering without the custom arms etc, but it would hit the spring with SOA.