Pics of Shackle inversion '67 wag.

[porkchop]

Here are the pics. Riverbeast was kind enough to post them for me since my web site is acting stupid (thanks, Todd). I still have some welding of the pieces together to do yet and some trimming to take off some of the extra steel. I am not going to weld it to the frame like I was going to at first. Reason is I can not weld and I think that the 10 grade 8 bolts holding it on are a little stronger than the 4 rivets and the one weld as before :D . These are just to let everyone who is interested in what it will look like. It works great so far. I moved the front and the back down three inches and then moved the rear forward 2.25 inches. This is to prevent it from flipping back the other way. They are not that pretty yet, but they will be in a short time. Enjoy.

http://home.earthlink.net/~riverbeast/pcpics/Frontflip.JPG http://home.earthlink.net/~riverbeast/pcpics/rearflip.JPG http://home.earthlink.net/~riverbeast/pcpics/backflip.JPG

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[River Beast]

Bryant,

Like I said... AWESOME JOB!!! :D :D :D

Plenty strong,too...

[ArtsiFrtsi]

:D WOOOHOOOOOO!!!! Way to go Bryant!! :D Now al I need to do is talk wifie into letting me buy back the old '65 Wag! :D

[jeepbob]

PC, Nice job
I see you lowered your shackles, was it because you needed more lift? As far as the shackles flipping back I have never had a problem with that and my shackles are in the stock location. I am running a stiffer than stock spring. It looks like this could be done on the frt of J trucks too if some one wanted to lift one of those.

[porkchop]

Yes it was because I needed more lift. What does the front of the j-trucks look like?

[RustyJeep]

I haven't had a prob. with just flipping my shackles either....works so far, but they are 3/4 ton springs. The front of the J's look exactly like the rear of your wag. If I were to ever get around to updating my website, you could see up close and personal. And also see me putting my 4" springs on.... :cool:

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[WINGO]

Great job Bryant!

If you haven't already done so, you should consider double nutting the bracket to the frame. Use stud locker of the grade bolt against the washer and frame and for the second nut use a lock nut with stud locker. You can only use the lock nut once. The lock nuts have plastic at the top of the nut.

By the way, my front axle goes on the GW this weekend. All rebuilt and painted. I want to thank you, Todd and Scotty for your tips!

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[jeepbob]

The early J trucks fronts look like the Wags rear. The front springs are outboard of the frame.

[frozen]

I certainly don't mean to be dense . . . but I am still trying to get the point of a shackle inversion.

Was the shackle end of the spring above the frame mounts before the shackle inversion? Thats the only way I can think for the shackle inversion to make any sense.

The front springs of my J 4000 looks like the above pic's. It would seem to me that the shackle inversion is not applicable in my situation.

Is dropping the spring mounts like pchop did a good way of gettin another couple of inches of lift or are there inherent risks in doing so?

Thanks for the patience and the answers.

-pete

[porkchop]

Frozen, yes the springs on the shackle side were above the frame rail mount. This is the rear of my wag not the front. So if you look at the rear of your trusck you will see that the shackle is "flipped" around. This is done along with a SOA.

By doing this, flipping the rear shackle and dropping the mounts three inches, I gain a total of 7 inches of lift for the rear to match the front. So I do not have to use any blocks under the rear springs.

[Hump]

Porkchop, are you or RB going to offer these for sale to those of us drooling over your excellent craftsmanship? If not would you be willing to share some design secrets?

I don't know if it would be better or worse, but I do have springs and shackles and mounts off an '84 truck. Since you are basically removing the old ones, couldn't you use any style to remount them? Do you think it would be possible for me to just torch the mounts off the '84 frame, and then use them to fab up some drops? Just a thought.

[frozen]

Porkchop, thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

-pete

[porkchop]

Hump, I am not going to make any for sale :( . I can email you my plans though if you would like to make some yourself. I don't have the time to make a bunch of them, I wish I did though. If you want the plans let me know.

[irbob]

Great job PC. Post the plans and tech tips so we can copy copy copy. To bad your not going into the fabrication business. Would make life a lot easier for me anyway. :D

[porkchop]

Brought this to the top for desert_freak.

[River Beast]

I know what Bryant went through on his fabrication... though his 'seemed' much easier than mine...

I do sell the rear shackle inversion kits for the box style mount setup found on SOME 75s and up to 91 Wags and Cheros.... Soon these kits will be available for J series trucks of the same years...I have to do a little more research for the J Series truck mounts.

[Stuka]

I have a rear shackle flip as well with the post mount rear springs. I flexed it the other day up on this stump at work and it didnt even come close to "flipping back"

But I do like this setup, I may just make/buy one some day.

[jeepbob]

Mine has never come close to flipping back either even after taking flight and landing hard enough to leave drive shaft marks on the starter :eek: :D

[porkchop]

I did this to lower the suspension to do away with the blocks. The reason I moved it forward some was just as a precaution. It is working great I am glade I did it.

[Hump]

Porkchop, feel free to e-mail me with those plans.

Stuka, how did you do your rear shackle inversion with the post style setup?

RB, you selling kits for the post style?

[Stuka]

I just unbolted the rear part of the leaf from the shackle, flipped the shackel so it faced down, and bolted the leaf back up to it. The rear brake line was about 6 inches to short, so had to fix that, but otherwise is working great.

[Hump]

Stuka, so you only gained about 4" of lift instead of the 7" or so that Porkchop and RB gained by moving the whole bracketry?