Update on jeep break down.

[porkchop]

I went out and took a look at it and this is what I found: Tranny level is good, when I put it into gear nothing. You can hear the tranny engage. When I go to put it back in park the tranny starts to make that weird grinding sound that you get when you try to put it in park before you are fully stopped. There are no big holes in the side of the t-case, this is a good thing.

I had to come back to work so the only thing I did not do yet is take off the inspection plug fo the chain and check it to make sure it is good. I am still just hoping that it slipped out of e-drive. And if it did how to get it back in.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[Mikel2]

When you put the tranny in Park, does it roll? I´ve heard of the splines in the QT cones getting stripped, so that might explain your symptoms.
Good luck.
Mikel

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1978 Jeep Cherokee Chief
360 4bbl/T18A/Dana 20
http://www.virtue.nu/yazahx/rand/pollitopequeno.jpg

[porkchop]

Yes it does roll in park http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/eek.gif That is not the news I was hoping for.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[trickc]

sorry to hear the bad news pc but gotta say that's one helluva website you got!! Best of luck on your x-case problems.

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"jolly" as in green giant 74 cherokee nt,4"lift,
35's,lockers,winch,custom bumpers,304,th400,dana 20
3" body lift
35x12.50 wild country mud lugs
www.trickjeep.freeservers.com (http://www.trickjeep.freeservers.com)

"buttercup"
73 J-4000 360,4bbl,t-18a,dana 20, 8 lug dana axles,assorted rust.
33x12.50 bfg mt's

[porkchop]

Well Todd (River Beast) and I just got back from looking at it and we are both stumped. You can roll it while it is in park http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/confused.gif It is acting like the t-case is in neutral. Can you roll the wag while in park if it is not in e-drive? In theory when it is not locked in e-drive the t-case is puttin all the power to the wheels with the least resistance, which in this case is the front because there is no drive shaft. sound good or am I blowing smoke? HELP ME PLEASE!

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[RudyC]

HMMMM?
pull the oil fill plug. turn it on and put it in reverse. WITH the brakes on and maybe a car against it just in case.
if its on the output side then the chain/cogs should spin, right?

of they dont but the tranny does. Uh well output shaft or low range unit is bad.pull the unit and check it and the shaft. On mine I noticed alot of wear on the input shaft of the low range unit.
If the chain does spin but no output bingo. either cones or locking mechanism went bad.
Hey at least it didn't EXPLODE like mune did.


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79 WAGONEER (SOLD IT, BUT WILL FIND A LESS RUSTY ONE LATER)
79 DODGE STEPSIDE, 318,HOLLEY STREET DOMINATOR INTAKE, 4BBL HOLLEY,TF727/275X16 GOODYEAR EAGLE GTS
pictures at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1500380&a=11321052

[Dave _S]

Yes, the splines can strip. When I converted my QT to part time, I disassembled the clutch cone assemblies. The splines on the front cone were worn down to little nubs. It would have taken very little for them to strip out completely. If this happened, I think all power would get transferred to the front output which of course would have zero resistance and one would go nowhere. Porkchop, since you ran for some time in e-drive with the front shaft out, possibly the splines on your rear cone have stripped, which could cause your symtoms.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mikel2:
When you put the tranny in Park, does it roll? I´ve heard of the splines in the QT cones getting stripped, so that might explain your symptoms.
Good luck.
Mikel

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[porkchop]

You guys are making me very sad http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/frown.gif I know there is no good out come from this. I am going to tow it home and I hope to have a good look at it then. Thanks for all the help and I will keep everyone informed of the outcome.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[porkchop]

Well here is the latest update: After getting it home I disconnected the rear driveshaft and checked the cones. VERY good shape. it broke after 140 ft lbs, that is all the torq wrench goes to. Also when I put it in gear both the front and rear outputs on the t-case turn. This tells me the chain is good and so is the tranny. I took off the cover over the e-drive mechanisim and I moved the switch by hand and tried it again. As soon as I put it in gear the switch would move back the way it was. No vacum hooked up. So this all leads me to believe that it did in fact slip out of e-drive and the mechanisim to make it all work my be shot. Where, if at all can I find another. I also need to know who has a good diagram on how the whole e-drive mech. works and how the enternals look. I had one once but the computer crashed and I lost it.

Thanks again

Bryant

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[JeepFreak]

Bryant, I just emailed you bud.

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JeepFreak

[joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by porkchop:
I also need to know who has a good diagram on how the whole e-drive mech. works and how the enternals look. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By JeepFreaks post I'm guessing he sent you what you needed but if he didn't I can scan the blow-up diagram of the QT if you need it. Just drop me an email. Good luck.

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Regards,
-joe
63 2-dr Wag, 72 J-4000, 73 J-4000, 82 CJ-8

[JeepFreak]

Joe I think he still needs the diagram.

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JeepFreak

[GM Killer]

Bryant,
I still have that Q-Trac w/ Low gear unit. If you need to snag some parts. I am heading out to the boat again today, but I'll let Heather know you might be calling. (782-4612)Good Luck



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Matt~
79 Cherokee Cheif Wide Trac
Transplanted 401 w/ Edelbrock Performer Package
TH400 / Q-Trac
4" Skyjacker Softride lift
3 inch bodylift
35" Mud T/A's
____________________
99' Mustang Cobra -
320 HP F-body eater
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93 Mustang Coupe 4 Cyl
Soon to have a transplanted 351w homemade twin turbo set-up :)

[joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JeepFreak:
Joe I think he still needs the diagram.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bryant emailed me this morning. It should be in his mail box.

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Regards,
-joe
63 2-dr Wag, 72 J-4000, 73 J-4000, 82 CJ-8

[porkchop]

Thanks, Matt, once I tear it down alittle more this weekend I will find out what I need and then head over there if I need any parts.

Joe Thanks for the diagrams. I haven't got them yet since I am at work. Glade you got my email this morning.

Let the fun begin! http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[porkchop]

Well it is a sad day http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/frown.gif I took off the t-case tonight to have a better look and it looks like I may have stripped the cones. I can hold the front and turn the rear with ease http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/frown.gif I am thinking that it must have slipped out of edrive and then when I drove it forward the short distance that must have tore up the cones. The wife is mad!!!!! I don't have money to fix it right now so we are down to one vehicle. I am going to have to try to get enough money to buy the adapter for the TH400-D20 from Novak or sell the Jeep. A sad, sad day.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[Kenall]

the E drive diaphram is still avail from 4wd hardware for 76$
www.4wd.com (http://www.4wd.com)

PN 8122991

if u need the cone section of the QT i have 2 milling around some where as spares that i dont need cuz iv gone over to the dark side of PT QT http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

i can send one or both to u for the cost of shipping and some nudie pictures :O

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Ken
1966 Super Wagoneer (http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kenns9/)
'The Predecessor'

[This message has been edited by Kenall (edited May 31, 2001).]

[jeepbob]

I don,t think I would want a picture of PC nude http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/biggrin.gif


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65 wag. 360/edelbrock rb4/t400/20 t-case/4:10 d27/d44 broken power lok/onboard air/onboard 110v power(no inverter)/1999 Lincoln t.c.leather buckets/Lincoln ctr console/winch/33x12.50/tunes/water proof door pads
soon to have new motor/d44frt/d60r(4:10)welded diff/custom bumpers
see ya in da mud

[porkchop]

Why not I am a very good looking man, my wife says so everyday! Yes Ken I would love them! I will email you my address. Thanks.


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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by porkchop:
I am going to have to try to get enough money to buy the adapter for the TH400-D20 from Novak or sell the Jeep. A sad, sad day.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pork Chop, the TH400/D20 combo was run from late 1965 till 1972. Maybe you can find a stock tailpiece/adapter from a donor rig?

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Regards,
-joe
63 2-dr Wag, 72 J-4000, 73 J-4000, 82 CJ-8

[porkchop]

I have ben looking for a year with no luck yet http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/frown.gif I thought I had my hands on one then the guy backed out. I also was bidding for one on ebay and was out bid.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[Mikel2]

Hi,
I pasted this from another FSJ list. I hope it will help.
Mikel
-------Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am tired of tripping over extra parts in my shop that I am never
going
to use. All parts listed below are in used, but good working condition.

All parts are located in Lancaster, PA. Please email me, no wait, just
come
buy this stuff!!! As I hate cross posting, if you are on another list,
please forward them directly to them, thanks.

5 TH400 for QT
2 TH400 for D20 universal pattern
2 TH400 for D20 AMC bolt pattern
3 TH400 BOP pattern, 2wd
5 Adapters TH400 to D20
8 D20 tcases (at least)
5 QT cases (at least)
2 D300 from early CJ
1 T-18 complete V8 setup, includes bell, trans, tcase, correct linkages
2 T-15 transmissions, on for I6, one for V8
1 T-98 4 spd, granny low
2 Sets D44 F/R for J-Series truck 3.54 gears. One QT, one manual
2 sets D44 F/R for Wagoneer 3.07, and 3.54 gears. Both QT
2 sets D44/D60 for J-Series truck 3.73 gears. One QT, one manual
3 360 pressure plates for manual trans
2 360 flex plates for auto trans
2 360 motors, complete Carb to pan, will guarantee as good cores (they
spin), not as good runners
2 sets, 4 each Alum slotted 15x7 rims, 6 lug.
1 set, 4 each 15x8 wagon wheels, 6 lug.
1 1975 Cherokee Chief Wide Track, 401, TH400, QT. 401 is apart, ready
for
machining, 76K original miles. Original Z code chief. 99.95%
complete.

Brad, can you think of anything else http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/wink.gif

Zack Heisey
Z&M Jeep Parts and Literature http://users.success.net/zmjeeps


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[porkchop]

Thanks, Milel2, I emailed him! I hope he can help.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[Gladi8r]

Hey Bryant, check out the email I sent ya http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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DON

1988 GW mostly stock, &lt;---Wifey's truck (won't let me "fix it up")

1971 J-4000,Rhino Grille(to be installed)
360 CID 2v, 245 HP, 365 ft/lb
T-18A, Dana 20, PTO, DANA 44 (Front/Rear)
71 Gladiator Pics (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/gladi8r1971?d&.flabel=fld2&.src=bc)

78 GW (parts truck)
360 4v Th400
Dana 44 F/R
78 Wagoneer Pics (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/gladi8r1971?d&.flabel=fld3&.src=bc)

[Crazy_Jeepman]

Hey Porkchop I may have the cones I will check it out this weekend if I have them I will pack them up and send them to you. I will reply to this post Sat or Sun to let you know. If I have them I will ship them to ya Mon. No charge if I got em!

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Making a Career Out Of Restoring My 1979 Jeep J10 360/T18/D20 44s Doing The Turning
And For True Adventure! Driving Daily, An Ugly 70 Wagoneer! Dauntless 350/Th 400/D20/44s. Posi In My Rear. The To Do List Is Longer Than The Wagoneer Is!!!!
http://images.andale.com/f2/116/106/4651773/990532060948_sigjeep.JPG

[trickc]

Dang if this ain't the best bunch of folks I've ever come across!

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"jolly" as in green giant 74 cherokee nt,4"lift,
35's,lockers,winch,custom bumpers,304,th400,dana 20
3" body lift
35x12.50 wild country mud lugs
www.trickjeep.freeservers.com (http://www.trickjeep.freeservers.com)

"buttercup"
73 J-4000 360,4bbl,t-18a,dana 20, 8 lug dana axles,assorted rust.
33x12.50 bfg mt's

[porkchop]

Thanks Crazy, I can ust them just incase the others are really shot. Trick your right this is a great group of guys!

Gladi8r, I emailed you back. It is from work so you might not recognize it. Thanks.

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'67/'79 Wagoneer mix
"Red"
Check it out! (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Mods, Mods, and more Mods! The end is no where in sight, but I am sure I am closer to the fork in the road.

[ironroad29]

i was just telling the wife last night how there isn't a better web site on the web it's like it was made for us and a little voice said "hey look this up " ohh just me hun ...er forget i said anything about voices .....

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"If a jeep can't take you there, maybe you should think twice about going"

[Slippery]

Only one voice? Must be nice...

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Jason K.
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/e46e6dee/bc/My+Photos/Festiva.jpg?bcw0GX7Ax3rIxilV
'88 Ford Festiva
40mpg work car
Cost $150, paid for itself already
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'90 Chevy Lumina
Biggest POS in the 115-year history of the automobile
4 cylinders, less than adequate for a car half its size
Crappy rear disc brakes, $19M class-action lawsuit settled
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Some other junk not worth mentioning

[ironroad29]

well there's the one in my head and then there's my wifes....need i say more?

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"If a jeep can't take you there, maybe you should think twice about going"

[Crazy_Jeepman]

Well I have the cones but they are trashed. I was not able to keep updated on the outcome of your problem as my computer blew a Q-Trac or something, wouldn't go. I do not think I am that good at trouble shooting computers, I had to take it in to get it fixed. (I was told there is no Q-Trac in a computer, go figure) Anyhow how did you make out.

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Making a Career Out Of Restoring My 1979 Jeep J10 360/T18/D20 44s Doing The Turning
And For True Adventure! Driving Daily, An Ugly 70 Wagoneer! Dauntless 350/Th 400/D20/44s. Posi In My Rear. The To Do List Is Longer Than The Wagoneer Is!!!!
http://images.andale.com/f2/116/106/4651773/990532060948_sigjeep.JPG

[porkchop]

Check out the postI FIXED IT! I FIXED IT!

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'67 Wagoneer
"Red"
Porkchop's Pen (http://members.fortunecity.com/porkchopsredfsj)

Procrastination: hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now.

[This message has been edited by porkchop (edited June 07, 2001).]