Wide track waggy

[Unknown Jeep]

I have the plans in the works to make my waggy a wide track. I am sick (and tired) that even with a 4 inch lift my 31's rub in the rear of my waggy. I plan to order up some steel Chero wide track flairs and graft them onto my waggy. I know, I know, you think of the rear doors might be a problem... but I think I can get by that with a bit of thought inspired welding, and body work. A dana 44 or 60 in the rear with the matching axel in the front and a set of 33's or 35's should round out the plan.
Ideas and hints are welcome... and luck will be taken in huge amounts.... From Tampa with love... Elf

[JeepFreak]

There is a picture floating around here of a Waggy that Jeep made that was a wide trac. It was a proto type but never made it to the showroom floor. If someone could be so kind as to re-post the black and white picture. Should provide a little inspiration for ya.

[joe]

Since what you really want is a Chero why not just buy one? Guess I'm getting lazy in my old age but a pre-80 already has a D44 rear, wide wheel wells, flares and 33's if narrow will fit w/o a lift.
I don't know your plans for the rear doors/flares thing but the only way to really do it w/o major work is to cut the flare and paste part of it on the door...tackey :(
It'd be a lot easier, cheaper and you'd have a cleaner looking rig by just trading off the Wag and getting a Chero...
Just my two cents...and to each his own I guess ;)

[Unknown Jeep]

Oh but Joe, I have a few reasons for this "tacky" swap over. (don't trust my body work?) first off, I have a wife and little ones that like to ride in my Truck. I want larger tires without doing a "super ken" to my truck. :eek: (sorry Ken) If I bought a Widetrack my wife would just steal it from me and I would just have to buy a third FSJ.(not that that would be a bad thing) I already have rusty rears so body work is needed anyway. And last but not least.... if I caved in and bought a Chero I would just be a chero owner rather then a Wide Track Wagoneer Jeep owner. (with a bad attitude 'tword all those other so called Luxo SUV's on the road)
ELF

[Mikel2]

Are the wheel wells the same for NT and WTs?

[JohnnyJ]

There are a couple of pics of a wide track wag in "Jeep Wagoneer Performance Portfolio". I had them scanned, but I pulled them off my web page a while ago to make room for some other pics. I'll try and remember to put them back up with a link.

I've thought about doing the same thing, let me know how it works out.

I believe the wheelwells are the same between WT & NT FSJs, its the flares and wider axles that make the difference.

[Unknown Jeep]

I have had the Waggy parked right next to a chero and the wheel wells both ended up inside the fenders at the same place. The Fronts are a walk in the park, the rears are the place where the brain storm must hit hard with lots of little lights going...
since the fender flairs on the chero did not have a mark on them as to my body chrome position, I put it off till I found a J2000 with the 6 inch wide wood pannels like mine I had no idea how it would run into my trim. the Flairs are just under the trim, so the trim chrome/SS will go back on after the paint has been put down to cover up the body work. as for blending the flairs over the door... heck that is a easy job. the flair will hide the door seam and will just be cut to blend into the body lines. a bit of welding, a touch of seam sealer, some body shutz, a touch of etching primer, some sanding, and a coat of paint.... Just don't ask me color,still taking votes on that one. (beach sand tan, gator Green, squished mosquito red, Florida Democrat YELLOW, Hanging chad white or portugages man of war purple)(sorry about the democrat joke folks just could not help myself.) Got plans and parts for a killer safarri rack in the works too... I guess about 300 to 400 pound holding range plus spair tire rack, fog lights and CB whip mount too... Should think about a jack mount too... and Jerry can mounts....ETC ETC ETC. :D

Elf in tampa

[Shake N Bake]

I've looked at this one myself... One of these days I'll convince the significant other to let me play smile.gif

WT axles are an easy swap, (J20 rear? What about that 1 ton dually D70(?) from the cab n chassis J truck!)

Front flares are a cake walk... WT fenders are relatively easy to come by. Those rear flares have stumped me though, I was half thinking making a fiberglass mold from one, and making a new 2 part flare one piece over the door, the other just a standard flare... A few rivets, some schmooo and paint!

Mmmmmm maybe I'll have to look at this idea again smile.gif

Andy

[jeepgods]

shake n bake, cant use a j truck rear under a cherokee/wagoneer without relocating spring pads (further out on a J)

[Unknown Jeep]

Andy
Rivots are a big no no... unlike metals will rust the flairs right off the fenders in 12 months or less... Welding is the only way to go. Fiberglass???? EWWWW!!!! first time you brushed anything against that flair in the dead of winter up there or go mudding like on your web site and they will part ways with the truck. STEEL is the only way to go, and welded at that. since I have been known to peal bark off trees with my waggy I plan to put mine on with extra steel in the flairs plus some extra holding the fender in the OEM shape. also when you lift the body you might want to put some mud flaps betwwn the inner fender and the frame in the front to keep the mud from drowning out the motor when it is injected by the front tires.

Troy in tampa

[Mud Thrasher]

Hey Troy on your front ones why dont you just get new fenders and strip all the wood grain off the rest of here? Also, for safety purposes if you weld part of the flare on the door you need to put some type of safety edge on it to keep the kids from hurting themselves.

[Shake N Bake]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Unknown Jeep:
Andy
Rivots are a big no no... unlike metals will rust the flairs right off the fenders in 12 months or less... Welding is the only way to go. Fiberglass???? EWWWW!!!! first time you brushed anything against that flair in the dead of winter up there or go mudding like on your web site and they will part ways with the truck. STEEL is the only way to go, and welded at that. since I have been known to peal bark off trees with my waggy I plan to put mine on with extra steel in the flairs plus some extra holding the fender in the OEM shape. also when you lift the body you might want to put some mud flaps betwwn the inner fender and the frame in the front to keep the mud from drowning out the motor when it is injected by the front tires.

Troy in tampa<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, you haven't seen the fiberglass flares I've built in the past... Usually end up at least an 1/8" thick, and stronger than steel smile.gif Never had a problem with riveted parts either... heck, half our trucks at work are held together my rivets smile.gif (I should know I put most of them in!)

Andy

[JohnnyJ]

I found the pics on an old system backup CD.

http://members.home.net/jacobsj/wt_wag1.jpg

http://members.home.net/jacobsj/wt_wag2.jpg

[joe]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JohnnyJ:
I found the pics on an old system backup CD.
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Looks pretty clean. Also looks like the rear doors are inop too ;)

[<Unknown Jeep>]

yep, looks like a plan. they have to split the flair at the rear door door seam. would give me at least 4 inches of tire clearance. the only thing I use rivits for is to hold things on till I can get the welder fired up anyway.ELF :rolleyes:

[BOM]

[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by Unknown Jeep:
[QB]
... heck that is a easy job. the flair will hide the door seam and will just be cut to blend into the body lines. a bit of welding, a touch of seam sealer, some body shutz, a touch of etching primer, some sanding, and a coat of paint....


and Andy Wrote:

... A few rivets, some schmooo and paint!

So what is "body shutz" ? and What is Schmooo?

:confused:

[ September 10, 2001: Message edited by: BOM ]

[<Uknown Jeep>]

Body Shutz is a paintable Undercoating made by the 3M corp. Good stuff, hardens to a rubbery coat that once hardened (about 24 hours) you can apply paint right over the top of it. A good primer coat is best. I have never painted over it myself other then a rattle can of flat black, but even that sticks to it real well. not made for most home do-it-yourself kind of thing, but you can pick it up at almost any paint and body supply place. comes in a plastic bottle, you need a spray head for it that you can also pick up at the paint place (like PPC) and you need a regulated air like of not more then 60 psi. any over spray can be cleaned up with a bit of paint thinner and a rag.

ELF in tampa

[Shake N Bake]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BOM:
[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by Unknown Jeep:
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and Andy Wrote:

... A few rivets, some schmooo and paint!

So what is "body shutz" ? and What is Schmooo?

:confused:

[ September 10, 2001: Message edited by: BOM ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Schmooo... Aka bondo smile.gif cuz you schmooo it on smile.gif

Andy

[jeepbob]

Ok now how about a little different approach. I am doing the w/t bit on my 65 right now. I have a set of w/t frt fenders but still want to use my doors in the rear and do not want to have the flare opening with th door as it would catch mud and then the people getting in and out would be wearing it. I have found that a set of flat fender jeep style trailer fenders will do the trick on both the frt and rear. If you split them down the center, then a pair of them will do the truck. All that is really need is about 1.5" of flare to cover the tires. By cutting and folding the existing wheel opening inwards you will have a nice flange to weld to and then seam seal will seal the outside nicely. This will give the Wag the same flares frt and rear and have a finished look. When I get mine done (next spring?) I will post pix. I also think this will give a kinda military look to the wag. The best part is that the fenders were less than $30 a piece (I think the were about $25 but I bought them a 3 or 4 years ago for another project that I sold before finishing)so for $60 you could do the whole truck.

[Shake N Bake]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeepbob:
I have a set of w/t frt fenders but still want to use my doors in the rear and do not want to have the flare opening with th door as it would catch mud and then the people getting in and out would be wearing it. I have found that a set of flat fender jeep style trailer fenders will do the trick on both the frt and rear.
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My thought was to take a 2-piece approach to the flare, have it partly mounted to the door, and part to the 'body' of the jeep, so it would be a flare with a seam allowing rear door opening, but relatively stock look! Take a WT flare, paste it onto the Wag body, then cut down the door line, and fill the 'void' with some heavy guage metal, (possibly filling with foam or something to keep it from rusting out later)

Just my .02

Andy