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billybooster
10-31-2003, 02:15 AM
Product: Motorcraft 4300/4350

Symptoms:
1. At idle, high revs, including 'down hill off-the-gas...way too high
2. during acceleration, at a certaim point engine seems to choke up and lose power
3. during normal 50-60 mph seems fine

Carb observations
1. Looking at the carb from the front, there is a rod, with a screw thread protruding on the right, that is attached to the throttle cable linkage. This screw threaded rod is attached to the carb near the top right. When the throttle is pulled, it in turn rotates an area 'top right'. This area at the top right seems to 'stick', causing the higher than required revs. It is not related to the throttle cable but the mechanism itself 'inside' the carb. I know this because, if I push/pull on this linkage it reduces the revs and they stay there. Is there any way of 'helping' this linkage reduce the revs, so to speak. I have tried to reduce the pressure from the nut on the screw-threaded linkage but that didnt seem to help.

2. The rear butterfly is intended to open at higher revs..is it controlled mechanically or with a vaccuum? It appears that if I stand over the carb and pull throttle to a 'higher' rev, it doesn't open. What's going on here!!??
So my 4300/4350 seems to provide too much gas...in turn high revs, low mpg.

3. Finally...with the air filter off, looking at the carb from the front, there is, on the left hand front most corner a 'vent hole' or something that looks like it should have a tube/pipe/something attached. It just sits there, unattached. What? Why How who?

Haynes doesn't get specific enough about this and I'm a complete idiot wrt anything like this.

Help greatfully received....thankyou

tgreese
10-31-2003, 04:01 AM
Sorry if this is too obvious, but the factory TSM has 15 pages on the 4350 alone. I don't have any experience with the 4350 per se, but

1. the screw-rod is probably the accelerator pump rod. It shouldn't stick.
2. the secondaries are mechanical.
3. Don't know what that nipple is. Could be the float bowl vent, although the diameter looks too large for that. The float bowl should vent to the vapor recovery canister or to the air horn.

hth :cool: Tim

billybooster
10-31-2003, 07:09 AM
factory tsm on order - just being impatient...thx for ideas

Rusty J Truck
10-31-2003, 07:26 AM
is that nipple inside the air cleaner or on the front? what diameter approx?

jode
10-31-2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by tgreese:
1. the screw-rod is probably the accelerator pump rod. It shouldn't stick.Affirmative - it is the accelerator pump...what is causing it to stick? Hard to say :confused: without opening it up and having a look.

Originally posted by tgreese:
2. the secondaries are mechanical.Affirmative - they are supposed to start to open by an internal linkage after the primaries are 100% open.

Originally posted by billybooster:
a 'vent hole' or something that looks like it should have a tube/pipe/something attached.I'll have a look at my carb tonight to see if I can figure out what you are talking about.

If all else fails - try using some JB weld on it...just slather it all over the carb ;)

billybooster
10-31-2003, 10:34 AM
somebody say nipple?

So the accelerator pump rod ( I love all this foul language)seems to stick inside the carb. Does that mean opening up a trojans horse full of pandoras boxes?

Secondly if, while the engine is off, I open the throttle fully, just like i did with my compression test, should the second butterfly open? If it doesn't would a 'rebuild kit' fix that or is it more obvious/difficult than that.

I think I'll say 'nipple' again!

billybooster
11-01-2003, 08:03 AM
btt

Don S
11-01-2003, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by billybooster:
somebody say nipple?

not me... yet.

So the accelerator pump rod ( I love all this foul language)seems to stick inside the carb. Does that mean opening up a trojans horse full of pandoras boxes?

We first need to know which Motor Craft you have and what was inserted into that trojan.

Secondly if, while the engine is off, I open the throttle fully, just like i did with my compression test, should the second butterfly open? If it doesn't would a 'rebuild kit' fix that or is it more obvious/difficult than that.

The rear top choke valve is vacuum operated by a brass spring loaded 'plunging device' located oppoisite the choke control and inside the caburetor.

I think I'll say 'nipple' again!

you are lucky to have an MC-4350 because it should have 4 nipples.

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The MC-4300 did not have the vent nipple on the top (bowl cover)...
Good Luck.. http://www.boylover.net/ubb/graemlins/cool_shades.gifand CUL.. Don S..

[ November 01, 2003, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: Don S ]

billybooster
11-01-2003, 01:21 PM
The only nipple I see, is right by the word Motorcraft, about 3/8 inch tube. I can't tell if its 4300 or 4350. How would I tell?