HELP!!! we are lost... what now????

[alli3]

ok - in a previous post i asked about my baby dying out of nowhere- she'd just quit- at idle or in a turn- no sputtering-
we replaced the ignition box(?- i think thats what its called) and the ignition switch- tested everything we can think of - and the **** haynes manual just hasn't helped
we're lost- we even replaced the fuel filter
and now we may go get a new pump too-
help-please!!!
i can't go back to a rent car- i'm tapped out
of that kinda waste of money-
i've looked in the tech library-
ideas- please

alli

[GaWd]

Alli,

Let's slow down a second here...

Do you have fuel pumping? Have you checked? If the 84 still has a carb, take the air cleaner off, and pull the throttle arm back and see if it squirts fuel into the carb. If so, there's no real reason to replace all of the fuel gear.

Gas problem are typically the 'sputtering' kind. Ignition/electrical problems are the kind that usually up and die on you with no warning. Have you checked all of your ignition components? Coil? Dist. parts? (condenser, points, Etc).

You'll find it, but don't go replacing things that are working perfectly on a whim.

Good luck.

Sam

[ibnfe]

Several items that you could try. First off, make sure and doubly sure the connection to your ignition box is healthy, meaning no corrosion inside or fraying wires etc. Second, make sure your ignition switch isn't loose. Sounds crazy, but it happened to me once, almost same results! This honestly sounds like an ignition box problem, but if you have replaced it with new, well, it wouldn't be the first time I saw an ignition box bad from the store! If you have access to one, swap it with one that you know works. Also, if you can get it running, see if your coil is getting hot before it dies. That's another sign that it's ignition box or related.

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[alli3]

i know it pumps gas- and if i recall jj my boyfriend said he checked all the surrounding
things for problems. i know it seems to have a harder time keeping rpms up when the air conditioner is on- i mean real hard time-
i know we checked the timing, gaskets- i am leaking fuel - jj said he knew where- but i'm not sure if it was fixed last night-
i'll ask him about the coil- to make sure he
checked it- and the spark plugs are new- only 2 months or so old
now when the wreck happened- she did sit for 2 months- just got her back- but she showed some of these signs the morning of the wreck- died in a turn
thanks guys-
if ya'll think of anything else- let me know!!

alli

[This message has been edited by alli3 (edited June 27, 2001).]

[1mailman]

something else to check that no one has suggested is the neautral safty switch,check your manual for your location. If you still can't locate the problem, ask the jeep gods for guidence.

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[SpruceMoose]

d@mn alli! after all you've been through, i'm sorry to hear about this. you sure didnt need this. let me think on it a little. i'm at work right now, but i'll be back.

sm

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[alli3]

HEY- SPRUCE!!!!
geez... i tell ya what though- even with all this crap- i'm soooo **** happy to have her back!!!!!
and guys- like i mentioned before- never ever take head injuries too lightly- i had to go for an eeg monday- sleep deprived!! well that wasn't too hard it was the no caffine for 8 hours before the test- i got dizzy in the shower last week and fell- broke 2 ribs- i tell ya i feel like i'm 90 years old!! i'm only 30!!!
augh- but boy- i love my baby- i was so happy to have her back- i can't do too much myself on her right now- but i did do alittle
leather cleaning here/ put a cool 1950's girlie sticker( advertising oil) on a window
put my bone skeleton and beads back on the
rearview mirror-
i miss my little wood on the fender- but she earned her battle scars- SHOW THEM WITH PRIDE!
I'LL GET MY JUSTICE IN THE END.....
i got my baby back- and she and i will get well together...

ya'll have no idea how much ya'll have ment to me- thank you-

alli

[YaZahX]

does it cut off when its hot or cold or both?

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[alli3]

it cuts off both ways- both it has done it typically after shes all warmed up-
the tow truck guy had to use gloves when he tried to jump start me after i ran her down..
she idles and if i don't do the ole put her in N and keep her rpms up- she dies
then she'll do great- lately its just getting to where i can't even drive to the corner store-

alli

[Snakeyes_Tx]

Intake Manifold Leak... BIG one.

I suspect the seals at the front and rear of the intake... probably the rear if you checked the front one.

O'Reilly sells a nice Valley-pan intake gasket kit. You'll need more RTV than it supplies just so you know.

Keeping higer RPMS to leave it running... hitting the gas creates less vaccum. Making an intake leak not as bad... and it stays running.

If that ain't it.. look around the base of the carburetor for a leak too.

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[UP Chief]

Sounds too simple, but my son's hot rod Nova was doing the same thing... turns out he had a crapped up fuel filter...

[SpruceMoose]

alli!

hey, i dont know what happened, but i had about a page of answer to you on here, and it all went poof! now, if i can remember what i just wrote!!!

ok, lets see...really sorry to hear about the ribs. just what you needed, right?!?! a few weeks ago i got drenched with hydraulic fluid from a high-pressure system. i mean completely soaked! i wrote about it to a friend of mine, and she wrote back "Well that was a pretty funny shower story, but I guess it s@cked to be you http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/smile.gif" so, thats going out to you now. pass it on! http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/wink.gif

i pretty much concur with all the advice that has popped up since i last wrote you. although it sounds like an electrical problem, in that it happens instantly, the fact that it runs at high rpm and not low rpm does suggest an intake leak. if you can get it running, spray carb cleaner around the carb, intake manifold, and vacuum hoses. a leak will show up as a change in rpm.

and if you cant get it to start, check the spark from the coil. or from a plug wire. (get jj to test it http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/wink.gif ) and check the voltage on the + side of the coil. should be 6-12 volts, depending on the specific ignition system.

keep us informed!

sm

[BobBarry]

Also check the condition of the connection at the coil horseshoe connector; the wires there can get rather frail, causing the symptoms you describe (my GW was down to ONE STRAND of wire left before I fixed it!).

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[alli3]

hey guys-
well- we got part of the problem fixed-
she actually drove me to work- i had to kinda be easy on her after i'd come to a stop- i'll get to that in a minute-
we did get a new coil and we moved it and shelded it- while jj was moving it he saw a little wire that was broken at the connection and just hanging- it went to the negative... something on the coil- it was all corroded- fixed that- like i said earlier we had already replaced the box and switch for the ignition-
and now shes doing pretty good- i am running really rich- we were already planning on rebuilding the carb- so we're trying to find a rebuild kit right now to do it this weekend-
ok now- jj said he turned up the idle alittle
just til he gets the timing thing today and checks it again- and i drove her the long way to work- i didn't run my air so i could hear her- and not kill her maybe-
but what she does now is:
does fine not dying at idle- (THANK GOD!!)
but when its time to go again i ease into the gas- like trying to drive a stick and not kill it- and she'll hesitate the almost sound like she quit and then will either just go or shakes alittle then jumps into going and sometimes she makes a popping sound
like a mini backfire- but i think its coming from the carb-
but she never died!!!!- just had to ease her after being too slow or at a full stop-

alli

[Dr Gonzo]

A new or rebuilt carb will take care of your latest problem. The Beast was experiencing the same sorts of problems you are describing and a new carburetor did the trick.

Glad to hear things are looking up for your baby, hope things turn around for you.

Good luck!

[SpruceMoose]

alli: keep on it! it'll be fine. sooner or later. and hey, i hope the quote about the shower was taken the right way. ok?

sm

[alli3]

yea spruce-
sure.... i know what you REALLY ment... HEEHEE-
nah- when it rains it pours... just glad mines water!!!
but atleast we've got babies that don't cost
200 bucks for a stupid computer chip...
some of these things i fixed the last couple of days would have been an ungodly amount on my old car-
and on mine- well 24.98.
mine atleast i get to screw up myself and don't usually have to pay some dork at the dealership whom seems to not realize my vehical IS a JEEP.
i hope we can find a rebuild kit out here
soon for a good price-

oh- a while back ( i'll try to find it on the boards) one of ya'll here in the dallas area gave me a name and number of a guy who works on jeeps- if ya see this- post his name again!!!
hey and if any of ya'll near the area want to
come out and help us with my waggy- we can help you with yours... ( my boyfriend would love it- he hates me hanging around too much and hovering if i'm not busy doing something on her too- and right now with the injuries- its hard too.)
he's got alot of tools and equipment needed-
and he's got a 77 chevy truck that needs some loving too.

see ya
alli

[Brazzy]

Your lastest pop you describe sounds like you probably have a blown power valve in the carb. It will also account fot the rich condition you describe. Get the rebuild kit and go for it. I have never torn into mine but plenty of guys here have and say it's not to hard. I'm sure you'll get plenty of help if ya ask!

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Formerly abused 87 G.W. 175k
TOW,PKG,727,229,360
2.5" Rancho softride AAL
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[SpruceMoose]

yeah, water would have been a lot better than that slimy hydraulic fluid! it was like standing in a hurricane. all i could do was close my eyes and yell into the radio to shut the system off. couldnt see a thing. didnt dare try to move anywhere. what a mess!

and dont worry about the carb rebuild. its easy. i did mine just before i swapped it out for fuel injection.

btw, baths are safer! http://www.ifsja.org/ubb/smile.gif

[alli3]

ok guys- question 1st- then i get to brag!!!
ok jj wants to know:
the volt gauge goes from -60 to 0 to +60 allis reads JUST past the 0- how do we know
if its charging right- how do we read the gauge?
i put a volt meter to the alternator & it says its charging at 14.75 volts- and battery
is taking a charge at that rate
we think its fine- but the gauge makes us worry- its almost at 0-

ok now i get to brag- we got a NEW carborator
a a. i.r. pump air injection tubes another matching wheel- THE CARGO COVER THAT MATCHES MY INTERIOR!!! and a cruise control box all from a junk yard and ALL FOR $100.00 dollars!!!!
and a new flow tech muffler-and jj put it all on for me she sounds so sweet and runs so good now- god i've almost gotten her all rebuilt or new on the mechanical stuff- and my engine only has 55 000 miles on her- original miles. i guess the waggy we found most of the stuff on at the junk yard was almost completely rebuilt or bought new and the body was good- i guess his motor froze and he just couldn't do it anymore- andit all works!!! she's looking great ( well except for the woodless fender-) and poor jj's so tired- i couldn't carry what i used to at the junk yards due to the wreck and rib thing- and he's spent everynight lateworking on her- and she almost has no shake in her- after we changed the muffler and exhaust stuff she's great-
heeheeheehee i'm sooo happy!!!

P.S. Im talking to the law firm i want to represent me this week- BIG BOYS&gt;&gt;&gt;
I hope they take it-

alli :D

[Snakeyes_Tx]

This is what I can gather from the Voltage gauge being I had an 86 with the newer style.

-60 That's like near dead.. about 6 or 7 volts

0 is dead center.. about 12-13 volts

+60 is the WHOA-Zone... like like 16-18V

I believe you WANT the gauge to be as close to the 0 as possible.. maybe a hair over. That's the center.

[ July 01, 2001: Message edited by: Snakeyes_Tx ]

[alli3]

augh!! ok now i'm really happy to know its ( the battery gauge) ok but what did jj do?
jeez i'm driving along- she's purring and i realize my blinkers aren't blinking... i don't even know if my brakes are lighting up-
its hard to tell when i'm in the car- i've got to find someone to come down to the garage to help and see if the light up-
the only thing i can think of is does the cruise control box somehow mess with the wiring? we did add that too last night-
hhhmmmm.....

alli :confused:

[Snakeyes_Tx]

Check these...

20 Amp fuse labeled Park/Tail

The Turn signal pots (they're like 4 bucks new at Auto Zone)

Maybe you got a burned out bulb? An olds Delta 88 I had would trip the pots if I had a bad bulb so it wouldn't &lt;click click&gt;.

Hmph.. wish *I* Had cruise.. OH WAIT! I kept the Box from my 86! :D

[scotty]

alli3,what engine is in the wag?does it always start right back up?

if ya got a 6 cyl,it sounds like a carter carb prollem. they typically get their ile tubes clogged up,and the throttle shafts wear. what the rest of thes guys said is true,usually a crb prollem is of the coughing,sputtering type,but ive had several carters that would just quit at idle,all ignition components fine. the carter is a fussy little bugger,sometimes it will run just peachy,sometimes not. a carter could definately be causing a prollem that at first glance does not look like a carb prollem.

good luck.

[alli3]

i have an 8 - i'm not sure what kind of carb- i know we just found a beauty in a junkyard- new- i mean new- jeez- and its a 2 "barrell?" and she's doing great now-but we did find the exhaust system was in bad shape- we put a new manifold ( well on great shape from another waggy)and the pipes- it was all clogged up- nasty-
oh and snake:
jj and i went and got fuses- they were blown-
now everything works great!!! only a little shimmy and shake-
& need new leaf spring bad.... boy i need to put mid cities jeeps' number on here they ship- and they have so many jeeps all shapes and sizes to be parted- they're good guys-
and the owner has a beautiful waggy-

alli :eek: :eek: