Help ASAP

[91GWag]

What a evening, First I run out of gas (needle said half a tank), I think no problem I have one of those emergencey plastic containers of gas 'like' stuff, No dice. I went to a persons house and scoffed all there lawn mower gas, used my carb cleaner to prime the carb, but it would only burn the carb cleaner, tried starting it till the battery was just about dead, then called AAA they came and sold me two gallons of gas (Sorry Mister don't have change for a $10) guess that was his tip for such speedy service 1 1/2 hours from a garage in a small town not 5 miles away. Got it to barely turn over and shot some gas down the carb and she fired up.

Next I go to the gas station to fill up, I top her off with high-test for a treat-----click---------nothing pushed the beast away from the pump and had three difeerent people try to jump me, no good.

I figured I cooked the battery, broke down called the wife she came to the resuce and we went and got a new battery. Toss that in click--------That's it. One click.

Any suggestions? Do you think I fried the solenoid or starter?

Have to deal with it @ 7a.m. It is still parked at the gas station.

Thanks

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Kevin Bellerose
91 GWag "Big Dog" or "Knuckle Buster"
360/727/229
TFI Upgrade
Woodless
"If it ain't broke yet...Wait"

kevsandi@noho.com

[1nathan]

OH man, that's a tuffy.
Make sure cables are good and clean surfaces. Check the cable to the starter and at the starter.
Not much to go on, but a start.
Nathan

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Nathan Van Meter

'87 Grand Wagoneer,3" spring lift,31"X10.5" Dunlop RV,Front Receiver,Factory Brush Guard,360 V8, NP229 & 727,Edelbrock Intake & carb.

'87 J-10, 3" Body Lift,1.5" Add a Leafs, 35" BFG Mud Terrains, Factory Brush Guard, 360 V8, NP208 & 727, Holley Pro-Jection, Jacobs ignition

'81 GW " parts truck ", 360 V8, NP208 & 727, 130K on odometer ***SOLD***

[arter]

From the Haynes manual:
To check the starter solenoid circuit, remove the push-on connector from the solenoid wire. Make sure the connection is clean and secure and the relay bracket is grounded. If the connections are good, check the operation of the solenoid with a jumper wire. To do this, place the transmission in Park. Remove the push-on connector from the solenoid. Connect a jumper wire between the battery positive terminal and the exposed terminal on the solenoid. If the starter motor now operates, the starter solenoid is OK. The problem is in the ignition switch, Neutral start switch, or in the starting circuit wiring (look for loose or open connections). If the starter motor still doesn't operate with the jumper wire, replace the solenoid.
Also...
Never operate the starter motor for more than 15 seconds at a time without pausing to allow it to cool for at least two minutes. Excessive cranking can cause overheating, which can seriously damage the starter.
Not what you wanted to hear, I know.
Good luck,
Art

[miked]

sounds like you may have overheated the starter, but check the connections on the battery posts to be sure that they are clean and tight. seen the click thing happen on new batteries if the insides of the connectors on the cables were not cleaned up.

since it only runs if you pour gas/carb cleaner down the carb it sounds like you've lost a fuel pump or you have a clogged fuel filter, you can pull the fuel line off somewhere near the carb and turn the motor over while pouring gas in the carb to see if you get any flow from the pump.

try starter fluid instead of carb cleaner in the future if you have it, it'll help dry the plugs out and make it easier to start next time.

also, new batteries from the store are *never* fully charged - even if they say they are at the counter. don't take for granted that the battery is charged...

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Mike D'Ambrogia - San Ramon, CA
69 Custom Wagoneer - The Firetruck (http://www.tworock.com/mjd/firetruck.html)

New and improved - now with 3" lift!

[This message has been edited by miked (edited June 04, 2001).]

[91GWag]

Thanks, This is going to be a PIA i just have that feeling. All the cables look good from the top I even used di-electric grease on the new terminal. It was too dark by the time I was done putting in the battery to go underneath.

Oh yeah, As if that wasn't enough I pulled out after I got it first started and left my 2 day old gas cap on the roof, needless to say it is in sad shape now.

It never rains but it pours...

Thanks

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Kevin Bellerose
91 GWag "Big Dog" or "Knuckle Buster"
360/727/229
TFI Upgrade
Woodless
"If it ain't broke yet...Wait"

kevsandi@noho.com

[reddog]

Start by taking "if it ain't broke yet...wait" out of your sig. I alway get a kick out of that..

I would start by checking the cable connections. Then try jumping the new battery. Then bypass the solenoid with jumper cable from positive battery terminal to the solenoid-starter cable. If it turns over solenoid is bad. If it started after you got gas from AAA then the starter may be abused but still was working.

Hope tommorrow is a better day.

Kerry

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87 GW - Stock (but it looks like RiverBeast when I'm sleeping)
TFI upgrade
360,727,NP229

[ClarkGriswald]

Well.

Definatly, new batterys need charging to be fully effective. Its best to charge them fully before every installing cause you can overtax your alternater trying to pull a big charge like that. Could potentialy fry your voltage regulater circuitry. (Diodes most likely). Anyway If you brought the battery home I would have it on a charger if possible. But I also Concurr that the starter may have been comprimised during the starting attempts. When they get hot they get funky. (song title?)

And, you may have sucked up some rust or other dirt ect.. into the fuel pickup in the tank .. this can happen easily when ya run out of gas. so this may be blocking things.


Check your fuel filter, take it off (few hose clamps) and see if it flows (3rd vent hose must be up,on top) or simply replace the fuel filter (a quick precaution) if you dont have flow then, you may have guuk in the pickup. which you can access thru the floor in the rear of the jeep.

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88 Grand Wagoneer
D44's front\rear
Warn 20990 Lockouts
AMC 360
TF 727
NP208
BFG AT's 30x9.5x15
http://www.btc-bci.com/~jaserb/images/WAGG1.jpg
"Hail to the Jeep"

[91GWag]

Thanks guys, It did start when I got gas from the AAA guy, it just clicked after I shut it off when I stopped to fill up the tank. Maybe it got scared when I filled her with Super!!! Clark my wag is starting to look like yours minus the rhino and bumper. Boy the stuff I found when I took the "wood off" was the rhino a major project to do or something I could tackle without major tranquilizers.

Thanks


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Kevin Bellerose
91 GWag "Big Dog" or "Knuckle Buster"
360/727/229
TFI Upgrade
Woodless
"If it ain't broke yet...Wait"

kevsandi@noho.com

[ClarkstonGT]

I had the same problem. There is a box on the fender well behind the battery with several wires coming out of it (voltage regulator, starter relay?). Anyway when I had my problem I traced it to a bad connection to that box. Every once in a while it will do it will still do it to me. In fact, it did it tonight. If I jiggle (is that a word?) the wires leading to the box, it will start right up. As soon as I figure out what that thing is and where to get a new one, I am going to replace it.

[jeepbob]

You prolly have a bad connection on one of the leads at the solinoid, when they get hot they will loosen and then no start. Try the starter lead of the solinoid first as it is usually the trouble spot.

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65 wag. 360/edelbrock rb4/t400/20 t-case/4:10 d27/d44 broken power lok/onboard air/onboard 110v power(no inverter)/1999 Lincoln t.c.leather buckets/Lincoln ctr console/winch/33x12.50/tunes/water proof door pads
soon to have new motor/d44frt/d60r(4:10)welded diff/custom bumpers
see ya in da mud

[Ralph]

Replace the ignition module.

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