Before and after

[CJ the noisemaker]

Before without pignose and shackle lift
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1275.jpg

After with pignose and shackle lift
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1319.jpg

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

HOLY CRAP THOSE SHACKLES ARE :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Richo360]

HOLY CRAP THOSE SHACKLES ARE :eek: :eek: :eek:

i think 'uuurrrggggghhhhhhh' is the sound you were looking for....

[babywag]

That's some SCARY right there.

Take 'em off and destroy them, so no one else gets sucked in.

That's just bad mojo waiting to happen there.

[The Colonel]

:hide:


What did you do in the rear?

[fulsizjeep]

Good Luck!

[KaiserMan]

Toss the shackles, they aren't safe.

I didn't think you where really going to use them when you first posted pics of them.

[ChiefEd]

Having just joined this site, and only having Edward for the two and a half weeks Ive had, and considering the best way to lift him after I get around to it, I can honestly say that this thread alone has provided more than the necessary information that completely dismisses the possibility of lifting Ed with shackles. SOA/flipkit it is. Theres no way in the whole universe I could even begin wheeling with those, or anything like those. :(

[vintagetrks]

That just looks unsafe. :eek:

[Locked and Loaded]

I like the Pig nose. Those shackles are going to snag every rock, bush, and cactus in the desert. But they would make good curb finders at the mall.

[1jeep4me]

No offense man, we all got to do what we got to do, but that shackle lift is gonna flip you. To much lateral energy is gonna twist those puppies and your gonna have your self a bad accident off road.

If your looking for a cheap lift youd be better off looking for some helper spring shocks

.02

[crazy8s]

The grill looks great.

As for the shackles..., thank you for convincing me I need to wait until I can afford new springs. The truth is that the new stance looks awesome, and it's a very tempting shortcut you've employed to achieve it, but I'd be afraid to drive that on a curvy highway.

[dakatl]

already been said, loose those shackles before you hurt someone or break something.

I am curious however how you have that front receiver hitch in there ?

[CJ the noisemaker]

The rear shackle
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1321.jpg


I was thinking of flipping the rear shackle and using the custom rear shackles in the front for a 2" lift, but I was tempted to go for 4"...

And currently I'm higher than a Ford Bronco.

Another alternative is to use front Suburban springs as the springs on the front now are bending backwards. See pic below.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1323.jpg

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

Dude, no offence but please do everyone a favor and let us know which roads you will be traveling so we all can stay far far away...you NEED to ditch that setup for somthing more safe.

[Chief Gunner]

Having just joined this site, and only having Edward for the two and a half weeks Ive had, and considering the best way to lift him after I get around to it, I can honestly say that this thread alone has provided more than the necessary information that completely dismisses the possibility of lifting Ed with shackles. SOA/flipkit it is. Theres no way in the whole universe I could even begin wheeling with those, or anything like those. :(

In m ypinion, SOA/ flipkit is the only way to go. I love my SOA. I am so happy I went that direction.

[fireman91186]

I don't think a spring is supposed to do that.
I don't think a I have ever seen a spring do that either.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Dude, no offence but please do everyone a favor and let us know which roads you will be traveling so we all can stay far far away...you NEED to ditch that setup for somthing more safe.Does the rear have to be changed as well?

If anything what would be considered "safe"?

It did great when I wheeled it last night.

[lost1]

I sure hope you didn't leave it like that man... scary stuff.

Edit: Did it feel more 'twisty' or flexy last night? I'm not just talking more room for travel, I mean how the axle behaved... Consider the forces that bent your spring backwards. You're poised to have a major spring failure in the middle of a turn, or coming out of a big enough bump in the road.

For myself, I'd only ever go 1-2 inches more than what came from the factory with shackles. it's not the shackle itself you have to worry about, cause you can make those as beefy as you want. it's the leaf spring.

[jeeping1974]

There must be something in the water to think that is ok.

[framus]

Oh wowzers.

[ClovisMan]

If you must be cheap. Get some stock Chevy truck shackles rear shackles from a 88-98 pick-up. They can be had off craigslist for $20.00 if you shop around. Search for parting chevy gmc truck. These will give you.75 to 1 inch of lift and put an add-a-leaf in the front pack. Should net you about 3 inches of lift or so and the 31's will fit. Put a block in the rear if you have to. $40.00 bucks from any AutoZone, Pepboys, etc....Atleast those will be 210% safer than what you have now!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[janie]

Corey, please dump those shackles and send them to me. I need some weights to put on the dekes for duck season.

Seriously, we'd like to keep you around.

[skeletor]

its always nice to see shackles twisting around when its just sitting...

[250psd]

Kinda looks like a mount for a snowplow? :D

[Locked and Loaded]

What I would give to be young again.

[azpackrat]

There must be something in the water to think that is ok.

I believe some forbearance is in order as the young man is still learning, we've all been there. By the way Corey how were the springs on the wrecking yard Chero? they would have to be better than yours. With the main leaf bent like that you're headed for a catastrophic failure, I would say unsafe even without the Eiffel towers.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Currently, I'm here
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1319.jpg

So we want to lose the shackles and I want to get a pair of springs with shackles that are "safe".
I also want to keep the pair in the rear since I'm having no problems with them (they are the shorter ones.)

I'm currently looking at springs from other vehicles like Ford Bronco IIs, Chevy Blazers/Suburbans, and even Nissan and Toyota trucks to see how they can match up to Wagoneer springs...

Sadly, other springs under a FSJ would give it a lift instantly :(

This is what I want
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/shacklechange.jpg

[Tigger4X]

I fully understand being strapped for ca$h and all BUT Corey ... you gotta dump those shackles and it looks like oyu need a new drivers side leaf spring. In the pic you posted it looks like the drivers front spring is now negatively arched (outlined in red) and it looks as though the spring has a definite point of weakness (indicated with the pink arrow). You are a candidate for the Darwin Awards if you dont pull that off and FAST!!



http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/tiggerinaridzona/EEKCOREY.jpg

[babywag]

Corey...if it was that easy to just slap a set of springs under your truck the information would be available and you would have already been told what to use.
You need to listen to what people are telling you.

There really isn't any springs from a different manufacturer that you can just bolt in.

Lose the extended shackles they are not safe, and will just continue to cause you problems and more damage to your vehicle.

If you want to lift the rear just use some blocks (steel) they are cheap and won't screw up things like those cheap unsafe extended shackles.

Save your money and the time you're wasting...used lift springs pop up just wait for a set.

[suzq044]

Yeah.. what he said ^


Seriously... call it "Temporary" while you save up for what you actually want; replacement springs. Probably a good idea for all 4 corners, while you're at it. Cause if that front spring is like that, the others' aren't far behind. They're less spring, and more.. flat. lol

It does suck being strapped for cash though. I'm there with you, with Levi being on an undefined hold pattern..

[CJ the noisemaker]

I fully understand being strapped for ca$h and all BUT Corey ... you gotta dump those shackles and it looks like oyu need a new drivers side leaf spring. In the pic you posted it looks like the drivers front spring is now negatively arched (outlined in red) and it looks as though the spring has a definite point of weakness (indicated with the pink arrow). You are a candidate for the Darwin Awards if you dont pull that off and FAST!!



http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/tiggerinaridzona/EEKCOREY.jpgFound out that the spring clamp wasn't holding that and the rest of the springs together.

[CJ the noisemaker]

If you want to lift the rear just use some blocks (steel) they are cheap and won't screw up things like those cheap unsafe extended shackles.I'm trying to figure out if those are just steel plates or fully boxed shackles. :confused:

[janie]

Corey, don't make me send you to ban camp over this. It's a horrible place and Krista has been known to torment folks in there, with her Hello Kitty dolls dressed in purple birkinsocks.

Seriously. Most here understand being strapped for cash. Save some out of each check, until you can do this properly.

Like the others have mentioned, used springs will show up. I picked up my lift from a member here for 2 bills.

Patience gwasshoppa.

[fulsizjeep]

Corey, don't make me send you to ban camp over this. It's a horrible place and Krista has been known to torment folks in there, with her Hello Kitty dolls dressed in purple birkinsocks.

Seriously. Most here understand being strapped for cash. Save some out of each check, until you can do this properly.

Like the others have mentioned, used springs will show up. I picked up my lift from a member here for 2 bills.

Patience gwasshoppa.Uh-Oh, this may come to someone putting on boots! :D

I ditto Janie's comment on patience. ;)

[CJ the noisemaker]

So flint or janie, what other vehicle can I go to for shackles.

My old ones were tossed for these ones...

[Billygoat]

The bottom on the shackle is just a hole, cut them baby's off put them in a drill press and drill new holes for the bottom bolts. You can leave them 1" or so longer than stock for 1/2" of lift.

[jsinajeep]

So flint or janie, what other vehicle can I go to for shackles.

My old ones were tossed for these ones...

Are you needing some springs [stock]
Give me a call.

[scantar]

Whoa whoa whoa...I know we we all don't want Corey to die a fiery death from those...um..."special" shackles, but the real question is this:

You put a pignose on there on purpose???


:D

[CJ the noisemaker]

This will be the setup I want to use:

- Stock springs
- 1" (or 2 if possible) shackle lift
- 31X10.5 BFG tires

It was great to see what Setsuna would look like with a 4" lift, but now since I seen it, it's time to do it up and make her trail worthy..


And safe.

[Mars]

This will be the setup I want to use:

- Stock springs
- 1" (or 2 if possible) shackle lift
- 31X10.5 BFG tires

It was great to see what Setsuna would look like with a 4" lift, but now since I seen it, it's time to do it up and make her trail worthy..


And safe.

Good deal.

[jsinajeep]

Use the shackle you have and re-drill them for the one" or two" lift and cut the rest off.

[fulsizjeep]

Are you needing some springs [stock]
Give me a call. I would look at this -


Check This - You can still go cheap, get some good stock springs, long 2" add a leaf from Rustys Offroad - $218 for 4 springs and 4 shocks, shorten the mega shackles like Jerry mentioned and get ya about 3" good enough for 31s on those wheels.
http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=rustys&Product_Code=RK-200AL-FS&Category_Code=sus_fs_kit

[Tad]

I don't know, those shackles don't even look square to me, maybe it's just the pic angle.

[fulsizjeep]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1313.jpg

Those may be home made. Look kind of square here. I don't understand what is going on in the back either. Stock shackles go up to spring. Is the spring mount box or frame rail cut for one of the tabs to reach inside the frame for the flip? May also be a photo illusion but this one does not look square. Something does not look right there and pinion is probably pointed up a good bit on both axles. Maybe you should give these to Janie :D and get FSJ stock or the Chevy shackles that are about 2" longer than stock.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1321.jpg

[CJ the noisemaker]

Those may be home made. Look kind of square here. I don't understand what is going on in the back either. Stock shackles go up to spring. Is the spring mount box or frame rail cut for one of the tabs to reach inside the frame for the flip? May also be a photo illusion but this one does not look square. Something does not look right there and pinion is probably pointed up a good bit on both axles. Maybe you should give these to Janie :D and get FSJ stock or the Chevy shackles that are about 2" longer than stock.
Yes they were custom (ahem, home made) ones that came off an 81' Cherokee which had a 1' lift.
That truck had these shackles with another set of shackles, and a custom crossmember, all of which was made of 1/8" steel and are square.

[fulsizjeep]

OK, I'll say it - those shackles are crap! :mad:

How about my question on the rear shackles?I don't understand what is going on in the back either. Stock shackles go up to spring. Is the spring mount box or frame rail cut for one of the shackle tabs to reach inside the frame for the flip?

AND are there bushings installed where all the shackles connect to the frame?

[CJ the noisemaker]

OK, I'll say it - those shackles are crap! :mad:

How about my question on the rear shackles?

AND are there bushings installed where all the shackles connect to the frame?The box for the rear shackles were cut to fit these shackles.

... No bushings

[fulsizjeep]

Forget the Crown Vic and make this right.

Here is a place to start...
http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodList.asp?scat=46
edit: Also see what Jerry will do for you on his stock springs. Yours are pretty much done.
The Rusty's Offroad option I posted in the other thread still appears affordable if you don't buy that Crown Vic.

You can probably get this delivered for the cost of the Crown Vic:
http://rustysoffroad.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=rustys&Product_Code=RK-350AL-FS&Category_Code=sus_fs_kit

[suzq044]

I don't know, those shackles don't even look square to me, maybe it's just the pic angle.

That's what I was thinking.. they look kinda.. bent? towards the back..

[babywag]

The box for the rear shackles were cut to fit these shackles.

... No bushings
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Words just really struggle to address this.

Lose the shackles, they are garbage and dangerous.
Probably a contributing factor that the vehicle you removed them from was in a junkyard.

Get some stockers, and replace the bent front spring(s).
Return the rear leafs to their original orientation and shackle set-up.
Your vehicle is no longer safe to drive.

I understand youth and inexperience, but you really need to use this as an example.
Ask for advice then LISTEN to what people tell you...
It would have saved you from this whole mess your rig is in now.

If you want a cheap lift there are other ways to get it SAFELY!
You're responsible for your own safety and the safety of others that share the road with you...

[Tad]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1313.jpg

That can't be 1/8" unless that's a 1/4" bolt :eek:

Corey,
I'll be off line for a bit but shoot me a PM.
I think I have some stuff you can have that can get you back on the road and and get it there safely.

[will e]

Hey, I am in AZ. I ended up with a spare set of leaf springs that were originally destined for California. You can have them. Tad can tell ya what they cam off of and if the would fit.

TAD? Those springs I picked up when I got the spare axles, would they work on his truck?

[CJ the noisemaker]

Well people, I will get the springs that Jerry is giving to me, and just go the chevy shackle direction for an inch of lift.

I don't need a huge lift at all. so:

28" to 31" tires = 3" lift
chevy shackles = 1" lift
________________________

Four inches of lift!


And I will get those shackles tomorrow.

[azpackrat]

Rear shackles from an XJ are a near perfect match for fullsize shackles, and come in various lengths aftermarket. I have Rubicon Express 5" on the front of my 77', for one inch over stock shackle height. Although they're a little bit pricey, they're built like the J-20 shackles, 3/16", they're also gusseted and greasable.
Also remember if you put longer shackles on the rear in the stock configuration, it will lower the back.

[fulsizjeep]

Way to go Jerry! :thumbsup: Corey, you'll get it sooner or later. ;) The 3" diff in the tires is split in half when you use the right measuring reference. It is 1.5" going 28" to 31" tires. Do not look a Tucson gift horse in the mouth and get in touch with Tad before you go all Chevy shackle. You will also need stock shackles for the back if the spring mounts are not all butchered up. Blocks are cheap for your goal.

[jsinajeep]

Thank you, I think I will make him come and get them this time so he can see if that inline 6 can make it in the mountain:D. And help me dig them out:thumbsup:.

[Tad]

TAD? Those springs I picked up when I got the spare axles, would they work on his truck?
Those are 63-73 Wag springs.

[Jeepmeman]

Well people, I will get the springs that Jerry is giving to me, and just go the chevy shackle direction for an inch of lift.

I don't need a huge lift at all. so:

28" to 31" tires = 3" lift
chevy shackles = 1" lift
________________________

Four inches of lift!


And I will get those shackles tomorrow.

First off Corey your guyes math is off.... 28 to 31s ISN'T a 3 inch lift. it's a 1.5 inch lift.