Setsuna loves me, and hates me (Complete Swap Thread)

[CJ the noisemaker]

I would be writing this mad, disappointed, or cursing about the situation at hand. But all I can say is this:

I love my Jeep :)

So early this morning at work I clocked out and wanted to see my friend in Phoenix while I was in Tempe. I decided to get 91 octane gas from Chevron to see if it could stop my ticking in my engine while I went there. As I was getting on the freeway, I began to expect the high octane gas kick in when I suddenly heard clattering from the engine.

[jeepmandan]

I would be writing this mad, disappointed, or cursing about the situation at hand. But all I can say is this:

I love my Jeep :)

So early this morning at work I clocked out and wanted to see my friend in Phoenix while I was in Tempe. I decided to get 91 octane gas from Chevron to see if it could stop my ticking in my engine while I went there. As I was getting on the freeway, I began to expect the high octane gas kick in when I suddenly heard clattering from the engine.

You need to put oil in them sometimes too.
High octane gas won't help ticking, only pinging from detonation

[CJ the noisemaker]

I played it off with thoughts like, "It's probably bad gas", or, "my truck can't handle 91 octane". On my way back to home, I was getting off the freeway when I suddenly heard a sound nobody wants to hear from the engine,

CRUNCH.

It was my push rod because I now had a dead cylinder, but I was able to limp her back home.

Like I said at first, I'm not that mad since I don't work today and I will get enough money to do some more work on Setsuna because she deserves it.

I'll just get the pieces out and replace the destroyed push rod.

[CJ the noisemaker]

You need to put oil in them sometimes too.
High octane gas won't help ticking, only pinging from detonationI regularly check my oil and keep a quart or two with me at all times.

[[]V[]AXX]

It's time to jerk that mill outta there and build it. Start saving.

[will e]

Pushrods don't usually bend unless there is some other force that is keeping them from doing their work.


What do you mean by dead cyl? Did you see the bent pushrod?

[babywag]

Good luck...if it is a pushrod it went south for a reason.

Sounds like time for a camshaft/lifter swap.

I went down this road with my dad's '79 258.
It cost him a bunch to resolve.

Rebuilt head due to a stuck valve (Cheaper than fixing the old head)
Cam + lifters + gaskets + fluids.

It was well over $500 in parts to repair it.

[CJ the noisemaker]

What do you mean by dead cyl? Did you see the bent pushrod?after the crunch sound, the engine started to miss and it wanted to die soo badly.

[Tigger4X]

Like it was said before, it aint just the pushrod. A bent pushrod is the after affect kinda like a bruise after being punched!

[CJ the noisemaker]

I checked the valve train just now and seen my oil has been contaminated. It's a brown color and looks milky. Coolant also has black deposits.












I think Setsuna just had what we humans call, "Heart Failure."
It will be a sad day.


Now to be serious, I would have to take out the engine and tear it apart to find the problem... I guess?

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

Sounds like you blew a head gasket...have head machined, replace gasket, change oil, flush coolant, hope you didnt wipe out the bearings.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Sounds like you blew a head gasket...have head machined, replace gasket, change oil, flush coolant, hope you didn't wipe out the bearings.Could that be what my ticking was too?

[babywag]

Unlikely, ticking is usually a bad lifter or a valvetrain problem.

Shop around, around here it is WAY more expensive to have a head redone than just buying a rebuilt one.

I'd seriously evaluate the money factor here...
You could easily be throwing a lot of money @ this to fix your current engine.

Would probably be LOTS cheaper to find a good runner and swap it in.

[shimniok]

So, coolant in the oil. BTDT. Time for autopsy. :( :( :(

Maybe you can find a known good runner 360 cheap in the meantime. I dunno, takes some luck to have things fall together right. Wishing you best of luck.

[jeeper54]

Sounds like it's time to watch C.L.. Gotta remember thou, got you all the way here, in the summer time, without a breakdown. Mine wouldn't do that for me!

[CJ the noisemaker]

Sounds like it's time to watch C.L.. Gotta remember thou, got you all the way here, in the summer time, without a breakdown. Mine wouldn't do that for me!Yep, she is one Great Googly Moogly of a trooper.

I got help to have the head gasket changed, so I'll have time to work and collect money while I look for another engine...



I was thinking about a 304 :thumbsup:

[lycanthrope]

been a lot of 258's on CL here lately. one for $50. most had been pulled for a swap.

[Tigger4X]

The oil/water mixture pump is one of the nastiest gremlins there are. Sorry to hear it.

There might be some 304 or 360 possibilities here on the board. You should try the salvage yards in PHX too.

[Locked and Loaded]

Has your coolant been getting low? It's been raining alot in Tempe lately. Have you been puddle blasting? Could of sucked up water while muddin.
I blew a head gasket 5 years ago on my 258. I pulled it and took it to Kings Balancing in Glendale. They machined it, rebuilt it, and got me a gasket set for $165.00.

[newtojeeps]

Now may be a good time to put a 4.0 head on that puppy and fuel inject it.

[[]V[]AXX]

With all the problems you've had, it doesn't make sense to just do a top end rebuild. You should go all the way, or find another engine to drop in. Even Quadratec sells $1800 reman engines. I'm sure you could do much better than $1800 locally. The 4.0 swap was something I wish I'd have considered before building my engine.

[jeepmandan]

Has your coolant been getting low? It's been raining alot in Tempe lately. Have you been puddle blasting? Could of sucked up water while muddin.


I thought she was sounding a bit rough already in this video at about the 6:15-6:20 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCEnSBvdV1Q

[CJ the noisemaker]

I thought she was sounding a bit rough already in this video at about the 6:15-6:20 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCEnSBvdV1QThe vacuum advance was not connected at the time. I'll see if I can record a video today.

[CJ the noisemaker]

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[Wayne]

I hear thers some 401s up in Colorado.

[Tigger4X]

Corey ... sorry to say it would cost you more in time and money to get a heartbeat back in that tired ticker; its not a Timex. :(

You should be able to find plenty of donors in the local yards in PHX. You dont need to turn in a core IIRC so you can always (re)build up the chocolate milk maker later on and run what ya git for a while. Wish I was there to lend you a hand bro.

[BGW]

I hear thers some 401s up in Colorado.

You have to be a member of the Colorado club to get them. Otherwise, F & K will hunt you down and recover the engine before it leaves the state.

[BGW]

Oooh, that doesn't look good, C.J. I would definately try to look for a donor engine like others have said. I know you like the sixers so you should be able to find a few used ones around. I've heard of some members giving away engines (anything but a 401) because they aren't worth that much. If you could find someone to give you one, all you'd have to do is figure out how to get it to Arizona.

[Jeepstress]

I hear thers some 401s up in Colorado.

Don't make me ban you! :cool:

[Tigger4X]

:funny:










:hide:

[fulsizjeep]

Wah-whoah now... there are no 401s in southern Colorado. ;) They have all been put to rest on forge crank hill. :p We are trying to grow some 401s from some cuttings. :thumbsup: More will be revealed as the harvest season nears. :cool:

[Tigger4X]

I do believe I'll be headin out and hitchin up my mules to help plow that field. ;)

[fulsizjeep]

This one was plucked last autumn and kept in an incubator over the winter. It growed up real good. :cool:

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RARE and VINTAGE
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[Tigger4X]

I'm in luuuuuv with them valve covers! :swooon: :o

[Jeepstress]

You have to be a member of the Colorado club to get them. Otherwise, F & K will hunt you down and recover the engine before it leaves the state.

Just sayin'........ :angel: :whistle:

[Jeepstress]

I'm in luuuuuv with them valve covers! :swooon: :o

I know. Unwholesomely sexy, huh? :D

[Tigger4X]

You say unwholesome like its a bad thing. And its all sexy goodness. :D ME LIKEY... ME WANT!!

[Ristow]

I know. Unwholesomely sexy, huh? :D


well,they're....um.....purple.

[Tigger4X]

In all of their purple-y goodness, yes they are

~ P U R P L E ~











:drool:

[smogdredd]

I put old gas in my 65 dodge with fresh valve guides. Gummed up the guides and bent 3 pushrods. Two decades later a Chevy dump truck at My shop did the same thing. It didn't take long to figure out the fuel system had to be cleaned out. If You smell the gas and it smells like turpentine don't run the engine.

[Jeepstress]

You say unwholesome like its a bad thing.

Sorry about the hijack CJ......... :o

Tig, You obviously don't know me very well yet. :D I'm as unwholesome as they come and dingdangdong proud of it!

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/jubileejeeps/hello_kitty_jeep_07.jpg

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[Tigger4X]

Sorry about the hijack CJ......... :o

Tig, You obviously don't know me very well yet. :D I'm as unwholesome as they come and dingdangdong proud of it!
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee184/jubileejeeps/kalishnikitty.jpg




Now thats one kitty I think I could like! ;) :lol:

Me sorry too CJ ... now back to the regularly scheduled carnage recovery.

[CJ the noisemaker]

The engine seized today when I was trying to start it. So an engine replacement is in order...



Or I may have to get a beater and sell what's left of Setsuna.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

The engine seized today when I was trying to start it. So an engine replacement is in order...



Or I may have to get a beater and sell what's left of Setsuna.
Throw a used mill in and call it good :thumbsup:

[SEdmonds]

Sorry to read this, CJ.

Take a look on craigslist - something may turn up there. Just a quick look tonight kicked up some options (offered just as examples)

258 - Tucson.
http://tucson.craigslist.org/pts/1914723370.html

Here's a 304.
http://prescott.craigslist.org/pts/1847424624.html


There's a 360

http://mohave.craigslist.org/pts/1911350846.html

The 4L inline is a nice engine - have one in the Grand Chero. You wouldn't go wrong going that route.

[jeepmandan]

well,they're....um.....purple.

I didn't know Prince drove a 401 powered FSJ :D
Or maybe it's that new Viking guy, Brett FaH Vra

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

Or maybe it's that new Viking guy, Brett FaH Vra
You shut your dirty little mouth!

[jeepmandan]

You shut your dirty little mouth!
You don't want Brett FAH Vra to drive an FSJ?

Oops, still hijacking!

[bigun]

Sorry about the hijack CJ......... :o

Tig, You obviously don't know me very well yet. :D I'm as unwholesome as they come and dingdangdong proud of it!
Givem hell little sis !!! I still wish I could have got a pic. of you holding the Garand! Then we could have captioned I'll see your Kalasnkitty and spot you at 500 yards LOL!! Hmm Maybe I'll have to bring the bolt action 30-06 instead...

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

You don't want Brett FAH Vra to drive an FSJ?

Oops, still hijacking!
Nah, he'd be like too many people here, including myself:
"This Jeep is awesome! Im keeping it forever"
"oooohhh noooooes, Im selling my Jeep"
"I love my Jeep, Im gonna keep it!!!"
"I hate this POS, Im getting rid of it"
"I just couldnt do it, Im KEEPING the Jeep"
"I just cant take it anymore! Anyone want to buy a Jeep?"
"This Jeep is awesome! Im keeping it foever!"

[jeepjerry]

Just stick with a 258. Its quite the project to swap from a 6 to an 8 in a full size jeep. You just about need a donor V-8 rig for that.

You should be able to find a good running 258 for cheap. I just picked one up with 80k on it for $100.

The same thing happened to my first car, an 85' AMC eagle, while i was in high school. It always ran good but in the mornings it would run rough for a minute or so and clear up and run great. One morning on my way to work it ran rough and kept running rough,... a cylinder went dead. It also started blowing black smoke. I drove it to work and back home and parked it. It ended up having a pushrod that popped out. Probably could have fixed it but it had a lot of miles on it and i had a lower mileage 258 in the garage that went into it.

[CJ the noisemaker]

If I get a 258 with serpentine belts, can I use pulleys from a 4.0 engine?

[CJ the noisemaker]

Ver. 1's last moments.

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[Wagn Man]

No matter what happens don't let it get you down. This is just opportunity for some improvement, at least thats what I did when my motor bit the big one. It would leave giant plumes of smoke anywhere I went, and finally it lost nearly all compression. Good luck CJ.

[710 Burner]

Givem hell little sis !!! I still wish I could have got a pic. of you holding the Garand! Then we could have captioned I'll see your Kalasnkitty and spot you at 500 yards LOL!! Hmm Maybe I'll have to bring the bolt action 30-06 instead...
Well looking at the winch picture, you'd think she has taken out over a dozen of them already.
So what say you CJ?? Will the Phoenix be reborn from the ashes?

[CJ the noisemaker]

As soon as I upload them, they will be here.


It wasn't a blown head gasket....
It was a wrist pin failure in cylinder three.

[duncanstives]

Time for a blown 401 :D


Um... Or something.


Actually a 4.0 would be an awesome swap... Not sure how hard it is but its a great engine.

[CJ the noisemaker]

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[suzq044]

.. OUCH..

Good time for a 4L swap, I suppose ;) Junkyards FTW (for the wallet) :D
There's always a bunch of Cherokee's in the junkyards' lot, it's hard to find one that ISN'T a 4L ;)

If I had the space, I'd have done it myself by now. More Power, More Torque, More MPG.

[Tigger4X]

If I get a 258 with serpentine belts, can I use pulleys from a 4.0 engine?


In the auto-email it said you were doing a 302 swap, but it looks like it was deleted. Are you gonna run a 258 or a 304 :confused: A 302 is a F@rd mill so I got con-foo-sed. Its actually not a hard thing to do tho. :o

[CJ the noisemaker]

In the auto-email it said you were doing a 302 swap, but it looks like it was deleted. Are you gonna run a 258 or a 304 :confused: A 302 is a F@rd mill so I got con-foo-sed. Its actually not a hard thing to do tho. :o That was my friend playing a trick on you guys, He has a 302 powered Bronco.

But I think it would be awesome since I could supercharge it and add an AOD into my waggy.



Also, the head is in freakin' sweet condition.

[RyanD1981]

Really, it all depends on what you want the end result to be, and then start building towards that goal.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

That was my friend playing a trick on you guys, He has a 302 powered Bronco.

But I think it would be awesome since I could supercharge it and add an AOD into my waggy.



Also, the head is in freakin' sweet condition.
You dont want a Ford AOD...trust me...
And a supercharger? Really? Talk about cha-ching dude lol :rolleyes: ;)

[lost1]

Ya know, a few years ago I had an XJ. I was working on plans to stroke and supercharge the 4.0, and the amount of upgrading it would have taken was insane, once I really got to looking at what else takes the load of all that torque.

My advice? Get it reliable first and foremost. An eye towards your goals isn't a bad idea, but keep the condition of the rest of your rig in mind. For now, I'd say look at what sort of power you were likely making, and plan your swap according to that. Otherwise, you'll just break something else because of all that new power.

[jeepjerry]

If you like the idea of running a 4.0 but arent up for running the fuel injection swap, with a small mod to the alignment pin holes, you could use your carbed intake on the 4.0 and run the 258 distributor in it. You would need to get a electric in-line fuel pump though since the 4.0 has no provision for a mechanical fuel pump. It would run stronger than the old 258 and you would be set for fuel injecting it in the future.

[Jeepmeman]

You dont want a Ford AOD...trust me...
And a supercharger? Really? Talk about cha-ching dude lol :rolleyes: ;)

"Im the owner of the 302 powered bronco!" lol the AOD is weak for "Play" but a C6 or a E4OD can handle just about anything you throw at it. At least till you start getting over 750 in TQ then better start looking at build up options. :drivin:

[Jeepmeman]

This is my account so I can spy on CJ.... I blend in with my name...lol :D

[falmen]

Swap in this motor. www.gmperformanceparts.com/erod/

Fully 50 state smog legal and Awesome!!! Its only $8500, about 8 times more expensive then what I paid for my jeep.

[Tigger4X]

"Im the owner of the 302 powered bronco!" lol the AOD is weak for "Play" but a C6 or a E4OD can handle just about anything you throw at it. At least till you start getting over 750 in TQ then better start looking at build up options. :drivin:



C6 :drool: We used to pound the snot outta C6s and they took all of the abuse we dished out. A 302 w/a C6 would be interesting for sure but who has an adapter to make the bugger 4WD :confused: I never thought about it back when we were whipping the ponies down the track.

[Tigger4X]

Yeah there is some distance between you and it, but prices can be negotiable and depending on what you were looking to spend doing your F@rd dealio this might be an option ....


check out this thread here ~~~>

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=127254


and the pics are here ~~~~~~>

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=124957

[Jeepmeman]

C6 :drool: We used to pound the snot outta C6s and they took all of the abuse we dished out. A 302 w/a C6 would be interesting for sure but who has an adapter to make the bugger 4WD :confused: I never thought about it back when we were whipping the ponies down the track.

4wd? not a problem... Burg-warner 1356 transfer case and a NP205. Broncos run them.

[HerrKooled]

Bless "setsuna" with a V8 if you really love her.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

A v8 swap doesnt sound like the best route, let alone a ford motor...the kid is having a hard enough time gettin a working 6 back in it. I say get it running, get it reliable, the 258 will do anything you want it to...

[CJ the noisemaker]

Got the money today to get a six from fellow FSJeeper, jsinajeep.


Now if I just find that phone...

[CJ the noisemaker]

C6 :drool: We used to pound the snot outta C6s and they took all of the abuse we dished out. A 302 w/a C6 would be interesting for sure but who has an adapter to make the bugger 4WD :confused: I never thought about it back when we were whipping the ponies down the track.Jeepmeman had a bronco with a 300 six, c6, and I think a NP205(?). His current one has an AOD (or E4OD?) 302, and BW1356 transfer case.

[fulsizjeep]

Got the money today to get a six from fellow FSJeeper, jsinajeep.what out for his installation fees :eek: ;) :D

[CJ the noisemaker]

what out for his installation fees :eek: ;) :DMe and my friend are going to swap the engines.

[ClovisMan]

Me and my friend are going to swap the engines.Keep a running tally on curse words, bloody knuckles, and "hey, hold my beer and watch this".:thumbsup:

[Tigger4X]

Jeepmeman had a bronco with a 300 six, c6, and I think a NP205(?). His current one has an AOD (or E4OD?) 302, and BW1356 transfer case.



Sounds miiiighty nice there CJ! :thumbsup:

[Tigger4X]

Me and my friend are going to swap the engines.


Getting the 258 from Jerry you are getting a good 6. Have fun, dont bust too many knuckles, and drink plenty of water! :cool:

[CJ the noisemaker]

I am getting the engine from jsinajeep and ready for the swap tomorrow.

I will update later.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Got the engine tonight from jsinajeep, nice guy I should add.

It's another I6, and It will be ready to go in tomorrow.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

:thumbsup:

[FSJ Guy]

Jerry is a great guy, isn't he?

[jaber]

With a group like this, I knew you wouldnt be down for very long...

Congrats....:thumbsup:

[CJ the noisemaker]

Setsuna left more than just her mark... She was planning to live there!
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getting the cargo ready for placing the engine and the hoist
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prepping the bay for swap
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hidden
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underneath
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[710 Burner]

You remind me of me 20 years ago. I could do more with a few good hand tools and a driveway then than I can do now with a garage and a roll-around full of tools today... and a lot faster.

[CJ the noisemaker]

You remind me of me 20 years ago. I could do more with a few good hand tools and a driveway then than I can do now with a garage and a roll-around full of tools today... and a lot faster.I can only imagine if I had a garage full of tools...

How fun would that be?
But nah, I guess a bag of the right tools makes the difference :thumbsup:

[jsinajeep]

it was nice to meet Cory also and he showed me that a I6 and a cherry picker can fit in the back of a Wagoneer with other accessory:thumbsup: .

[RobsRig]

Corey,
If you have spare accessory brackets now I will buy them from you. I am still trying to sort out mine.

Rob 602-309-3969

[Wagn Man]

Good luck Corey.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Alright people, the engine is in the bay all buttoned up and running!!!
But there a few things to work out:

1) The new (to me) engine overheats in less than a minute of run time.
2) Tranny lines were damaged during swap.
3) Idle is set, but no change is made with actual engine idle.

So here are the remedies:

1) Replace thermostat make sure coolant is flowing properly
2) Replace lines.
3) Rebuild carb with the base off the last carb (both are Carters! :thumbsup:)

And a few things you'll probably be mad at:

1) I was towed by my friend with his Ford Bronco from Mesa to Glendale...
And back!
2) Last solenoid fried and was useless since NSS isn't on the trans...
Used a solenoid for a 1978 Ford Bronco :eek:
3) Used Motorcraft oil.
4) I left the camera at home, so I couldn't get any pics :hide:

But since engine swaps are common, I figure my swap was the same old same old...

But I will tell you the story later today...

[710 Burner]

Well I say...
A free tow is still free
It is a Ford solenoid. period. Most of us have them.
I don't know who Motorcrafts current vendor is, but it is usually good.
What??? No camera?

[FSJ Guy]

Replace the thermostat and make sure your coolant is full. Run it with the radiator cap OFF and fill as needed.

[Tigger4X]

Verifying coolant level is first. Thermostat replace is a good idea not knowing the mill's history. I would also suggest a full block coolant flush. Give it a solid flush with clear water to ensure the junk is all out. Distilled water and 100% coolant mix; not the 50/50 coolant, you're paying for them to add water to it for pretty close to same price :rolleyes: Check the coolant after filling it with the cap off and watch for irregularities.


And Corey ... post some pics! :p

[CJ the noisemaker]

Thermostat replace is a good idea not knowing the mill's history. I would also suggest a full block coolant flush. Give it a solid flush with clear water to ensure the junk is all out. Distilled water and 100% coolant mix; not the 50/50 coolant, you're paying for them to add water to it for pretty close to same price :rolleyes:

And Corey ... post some pics! :p I will replace the thermostat. Flush may be in order. I use 100% since Idk why someone would pay for water...

And pics are in order.

[jsinajeep]

When you told me you were going to put that engine in the next day I thought OK. You young guy are showing me thing:thumbsup:. OK how many hands did you have help you.

[jaber]

Congrats, and,













:worthless:

[[]V[]AXX]

CJ, did you set your timing by ear, or did you use a timing light? It needs to be checked with a light. Also, if you pieced together the carb, you may need to enrich the mixture. My carb, which is a Carter BBD, set to factory specs was waaaay lean after I rebuilt it. I had to turn out the screws about 4 turns before I felt that it was getting enough fuel at idle. A lean mixture and off ignition timing will get it hot, quick.

[710 Burner]

When you told me you were going to put that engine in the next day I thought OK. You young guy are showing me thing:thumbsup:. OK how many hands did you have help you.
I'm tellin' ya...the boy's got game.

[Mars]

Well I say...
A free tow is still free
It is a Ford solenoid. period. Most of us have them.
I don't know who Motorcrafts current vendor is, but it is usually good.
What??? No camera?

x2

glad to hear it's up and running.
I agree with some of the other poserts about making sure you have good flow etc.
Also think about a water pump. Not all that costly and you know when it was done.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Changed the transmission lines from the metal line to the radiator, sealed one of the lines, and changed the thermostat.

Engine still overheats :(

Going to swap the carburetor and see what that does.
Also going to check the timing.

[CJ the noisemaker]

I found that the old engine block has a crack in cylinder three, and the piston also was destroyed at the botton. When draining the oil, the coolant also came out of the pan. :eek:

So the old block will be scrapped.

[vintagetrks]

Throw a used mill in and call it good :thumbsup:

X2 you can probably come by a used 360 pretty easy down in phoenix check CL under AMC heck a 304 would do as well. :thumbsup:

[CJ the noisemaker]

X2 you can probably come by a used 360 pretty easy down in phoenix check CL under AMC heck a 304 would do as well. :thumbsup:I got a used mill (courtesy of jsinajeep) and put it in...

Just need to deal with this ones problems :D

[vintagetrks]

I got a used mill (courtesy of jsinajeep) and put it in...

Just need to deal with this ones problems :D

Awesome. Glad to hear Setsuna has a heart again. :D Have you tried running the new mill without a thermostat? Sounds like she's in need of a water pump or has an air bubble in her.

[jsinajeep]

You scared me when you said old block had a crack in it:eek: . I am glad it was the old block that was in it.

[bigun]

Drain the radiator and look inside, how does the tubes look? You might pick up a back flush kit and try that among other things it will displace all the air in the system

[Dr. Marneaus]

Man, I hope it all works out! This is exciting though, you got me wanting to do a motor swap now!

[Tigger4X]

I will replace the thermostat. Flush may be in order. I use 100% since Idk why someone would pay for water...

And pics are in order.



T-stat = GOOD! But did you check the radiator? Good idea to do that block flush and clean out the entire coolant system too!! Dont forget to make sure the heater core is running so ALL of the junk comes out.

Check the timing with the timing gun/light too! I dont think a carb swap is going to solve the issues at hand tho.

[[]V[]AXX]

When I first put my six in after the rebuild. It started and ran great. I set the timing according to spec at 8 degrees BTDC, but then, after running in for 15 minutes of the 30 minute cam break in cycle, the exhaust manifold was glowing red and the engine itself was stinkin hot.

If you didn't put a water pump on it, it is a next step. If your fan clutch is shot, get a new one, and keep the air flowing. After running for so long with your original engine, I'm sure that the radiator is full of sludge. Before you go any further, I'd pull the block drain plugs on the driver's side and pull off the water outlet and use the hose to push water thru the block. Anything that was in your radiator probably migrated to the new engine. One thing you can do after flushing everything as best you can with the hose, is to fill it with straight water, start it up, and let it run for a second. Then open the radiator drain, and keep it full with the hose, let it run like that for a while and see what comes out of the drain.

How's the oil look? You may have to pull the pan on that new engine and clean it out. If it's really foul, you may wanna spring for a new oil pump. While you have the pan off, you should replace the factory 4 piece oil pan gasket with a one piece rubber type gasket. You'll appreciate that down the road. Depending on how dirty the engine was after you restarted it, it might have filled the new oil filter with trash already.

[Tigger4X]

[]V[]AXX gave the dead on details on what I was talking about Corey. Good call on the check, if not replace, the water pump especially since the engine is new to you. Same thing goes for the other simple to check stuff like the oil pan, etc. It just hit me about a couple other threads going on this past week about the problems with a slack timing chain. Slack can be more than enough to cause issues to begin with and then go downhill by causing fatigue on other components. There was a thread on here recently IIRC by RISTOW about modifying the oil pump for better flow; even if you only inspect the oil pump to check it out. A rebuild or replace might be a good call if you can afford to do it now.


EDIT ~ when you check the oil pan be ready to do a flush there as well. Along with the coolant passages and radiator possibly being clogged the same couldbe true of the junk in the oiling system. Checking the oil pan, the pick up screen, the color of the dipstick, and the condition of the components under the valve cover can tell you some about the engine's history.

[[]V[]AXX]

Many of the factory timing sets used by AMC had a hard plastic or nylon cam gear. Mine did. If it has that, get rid of it quick. They were meant to be quiet, or at least more quiet than steel, but wow...

[CJ the noisemaker]

So I checked the water pump, and sure enough the water pump was made for a serpentine belt setup. Plus the inside was toast, so a replacement was done.

So she's complete.

[Mars]

Good job.
Now I'm gonna ask ya something that might be a little late in the game now.. When you had her out did you replace your oil pump? At least check the pickup screen?

[Tigger4X]

Good job.
Now I'm gonna ask ya something that might be a little late in the game now.. When you had her out did you replace your oil pump? At least check the pickup screen?


I asked about this too ... and a couple other things ... check it out below andlet us know what you found.


T-stat = GOOD! But did you check the radiator? Good idea to do that block flush and clean out the entire coolant system too!! Dont forget to make sure the heater core is running so ALL of the junk comes out.

when you check the oil pan be ready to do a flush there as well. Along with the coolant passages and radiator possibly being clogged the same couldbe true of the junk in the oiling system. Checking the oil pan, the pick up screen, the color of the dipstick, and the condition of the components under the valve cover can tell you some about the engine's history.


Check the timing with the timing gun/light too! I dont think a carb swap is going to solve the issues at hand tho.

[CJ the noisemaker]

T-stat = GOOD! But did you check the radiator? Good idea to do that block flush and clean out the entire coolant system too!! Dont forget to make sure the heater core is running so ALL of the junk comes out.

Check the timing with the timing gun/light too! I dont think a carb swap is going to solve the issues at hand tho. The system is running on water only. May add flush fluid, replace it with coolant/water mix and call it good. I was not to touch the timing since it was good.

[CJ the noisemaker]

PICS!!!!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1264.jpg

new engine!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1267.jpg

the infamous piston three
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1278.jpg

I have an EGR valve!!!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1270.jpg

Water pumps, Guess which one is on the engine now?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1274.jpg

Funny story. I was trying to put the engine hoist back into the cargo and close the gate. you can see how hard I tried to close the gate one of the casters.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1277.jpg

[jsinajeep]

I will bring you a tail gate glass down on Tuesday when I pick up the cherry picker give me a call

[RobsRig]

Good work, that old water pump looks hammered! Do the two pumps spin in different directions? You may have saved me some trouble!

JSinaJeep, Do you have drivers and passengers door glass for a Cherokee? as well?

Rob

[Ristow]

Do the two pumps spin in different directions?

correct.


you did notice those pumps have different impellers.......? different rotation pumps......you mentioned a heating problem?


PICS!!!!


new engine!


the infamous piston three


I have an EGR valve!!!


Water pumps, Guess which one is on the engine now?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1274.jpg

[jsinajeep]

Good work, that old water pump looks hammered! Do the two pumps spin in different directions? You may have saved me some trouble!

JSinaJeep, Do you have drivers and passengers door glass for a Cherokee? as well?

Rob No door glass, but I have the long side glass[tinted] for the Cherokee.

[Tigger4X]

. . .

Water pumps, Guess which one is on the engine now?
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c227/plato132/Random%20Stuff/DSCI1274.jpg

. . .


This pic was on the previous page and before I saw RISTOW's response I was gonna say the same thing. Did you swap the water pump before or after the overheating problem :confused: Cuz one of these is your culprit. ;)

[CJ the noisemaker]

Went to work today and finished a nine hour shift. Noticed that a FSJ with around 800 pounds in the back and no window makes for a sluggish smelly day. This current engine needs all of the vacuum hoses hooked up correctly because it does the following:

- idles and randomly misses every now and then.
- misses heavily when slowed to a stop. (sounds like sputtering when it's still running)

And at one point the engine died, so I responded by tapping the gas until it corrected itself. It did it again for a few times until I stopped at a gas station and checked it.

It never happened again.

So, what else can it be now?

[Mars]

So, what else can it be now?

It's a jeep man. Take scraps of paper and tack them to the wall.. Get some darts and start tossing.. Youre jeep is doing a similar thing.

But seriously. Get yourself a diagram and route those lines right.
If it's still acting up, then you start chasing issues.
It's a good rule to follow, get it to spec then start testing.
Once that's done I would go over every plug and wire. then double check myself on the ignition system. A miss and bad idle could be as bad as a timing chain or as simple as a vacuum leak at the intake or carb, a misplaced or missing vacuum line, bad plug or plug wire.. The list is as long as your arm. Get it where it's "right" then start chasing symptoms till you find the cause.

[Jeepmeman]

[quote=So, what else can it be now?[/quote]

Uh, It's a Jeep and a Ford man helped out BIG to get it running!!! :D

[710 Burner]

You might have nicked up a plug wire or two during the swap. Get her warmed up and listen real closed for an arc under the hood. Look for a plug wire laying on a sharp edge, especially behind that compressor.

[CJ the noisemaker]

Fuel pump went out on the new engine while I was working tonight, so I spent an hour replacing the pump.

Now the engine runs superb.

[Jeepmeman]

Fuel pump went out on the new engine while I was working tonight, so I spent an hour replacing the pump.

Now the engine runs superb.

About time!

[jsinajeep]

And now you can work on that back glass, Winter coming down here:D I can almost tell.

[CJ the noisemaker]

It's done Jerry. The window is in.

[Heavy_Metal_Thunder_81]

Dang dude you work quick, I havnt even touched the long to do list on mine in a while...too hot out...

[CJ the noisemaker]

Dang dude you work quick, I haven't even touched the long to do list on mine in a while...too hot out...Gotta cross out whatever to make it reliable...

And welcome to the southwest, heat is here to stay.

[jsinajeep]

Well Son, When I get ready to work on my stuff I am coming down there and get you. I can not work that fast.
I just gave it to you at 4:pm today. Good job.

[CJ the noisemaker]

So earlier this week, the fuel pump went out while I was working. I replaced it on the spot and it ran great.

Fast forward to last night, I was about to go wheeling when I checked the oil to find a clean dipstick :eek:
Three quarts filled it back up.
I decided to make a gasket to go behind the fuel pump since that was the culprit. It didn't leak after that.

I don't think this thread will have anymore updates since Setsuna is back up and running.

So thank you IFSJA for support and resources. jsinajeep for the engine and hoist (and window). And my friend (with his brother) for helping me with the swap.

[CJ the noisemaker]

How the swap went down last week.

On Tuesday evening, Jerry came out to my place with the cherry picker and engine. I hand him the cash, we lug the engine and hoist into the back of the truck without any issues. Come Wednesday morning at 7 AM, I got up and began to remove belts, the radiator, two pumps, and some wires from the engine getting it ready to pull it out later that day. Then my friend came over around 9:30 AM to chain up the rig and prepare for the long trip over to Glendale. We arrived a little after 10 AM and got straight to work.

The hood was removed, engine oil was drained, transmission was disconnected, and within three hours, the old engine was out.

Had some pizza for lunch, and by 2 PM, we went back to work.

The trickiest part of installing the new engine was aligning it to the transmission since we couldn't seem to get enough access, or angle to bolt it up. The next best idea of mine was to lift the transmission so it could meet halfway, best idea of the day I tell you :D

So once that was done, we began to hook all of the goodies back on, and make sure nothing would blow up once we started it up. At 9 PM, I put in a new solenoid, 5 quarts of Motorcraft oil, some gas into the carb, and a jumped battery.

The engine roared to life smoking so badly, it made a chimney look like a lit cigarette. I then tried to give it a test drive when I noticed the temp gauge was shooting towards the hot zone. The engine was overheating, so my friend decided to chain me back up and head over to Mesa back to my house.

[babywag]

Not that it helps you now, but there is a nifty access panel on the top of the transmission tunnel.
Gives you all kinds of room to manipulate the tranny.

Glad everything worked out for you:thumbsup:

[CJ the noisemaker]

Not that it helps you now, but there is a nifty access panel on the top of the transmission tunnel.
Gives you all kinds of room to manipulate the tranny.

Glad everything worked out for you:thumbsup:It was utilized in the swap.

[jaber]

Congrats and job well done. :thumbsup: :drivin:

[jeepjseries]

Glad to see the old jeep is back up and going again.

[CJ the noisemaker]

I just spent some time and read this thread from the start. Makes me think of how time flies.

I still remember when this shindig went down like it was yesterday.

[fulsizjeep]

Good Stuff. :thumbsup: