Exhaust Time - To glasspack, or not to glasspack?

[BigBadWag]

OK, It's about time to replace the Wag's exhaust. Now, the sound I'm looking for is the pretty-darn-loud-big-block sound. I'm not worried about the noise in the cab, I'm already used to that from the HUM of the tires. Another thing, I want to get this sound as cheaply as possible. I've heard that glasspacks make that big-block rumble. Is that true? I've found Dynomax Thrush glasspacks for about $17 a piece. If I could get away with new exhaust at less than $100, I'd be really happy. If not glasspacks, then what kind of exhaust should I run to make this sound? Thanks. -Zach

[RustyJeep]

I, for one, love the resonant rumble and cackle of a Flowmaster 40 series muffler. I think it's the 40 series...whatever one is the "original" sound. I will be removing my glasspacks from my Jeep, and putting on dual flowmasters. My 79 Pontiac Grand Prix has duals with glasspacks. I like the sound they make on it, but they are getting burned out now, and only after 2 years. Flowmasters will be going on there too. :D :cool: My opinion.

[BigBadWag]

I have a Flowmaster 40 series on my S-10 4.3 and it sounds awesome. BUT, the install + muffler + chrome tips was nearly $300!!! I can't be spending that on the Wag :rolleyes: :D But what about those glasspacks, do they make the big noisy sound I'm looking for?

[RustyJeep]

Yup.. :D They are good and loud on both my vehicles. You could install the mufflers and stuff yourself to cut down on costs. But yeah, the Flowmaster is a little more $$ than you were talking about. Also, the shorter the glasspack the louder and more cackly the exhaust is. An 18" is what is on my truck.

[ May 18, 2002: Message edited by: RustyJeep ]</p>

[BigBadWag]

Hey RustyJeep, do you know what size diameter your inlets/outlets are? Where'd you get your glasspacks? Do you know what kind they are?

[porkchop]

I run dual glasspacks on my wag. It is plenty load and you can get the sound you are looking for. I also wanted the cheap route :D . I bought two cherry bombs from checker, 18" 2 1/4 in/out. I then just bolted it all together. I will be having it done proffesioanlly soon though, and when I do I will be staying with the glass packs. This is just me.

[WINGO]

IMHO stealth is better.

I use GW mostly for hunting, fishing and trail riding. The last thing that I want to do is disturb the tranquility of the woods. There will be enough noise when the shot goes off.

Also, you do not need negative perception from non-off-roaders with the noise etc.

I do like the sound of a healthy V-8 and if thats your bag go for it.

It's all about enjoying and building your FSJ for you!

Jeeps are built not bought!

[CowKiller]

i got a 20 inch cherrybomb on mine and it barely changed in sound. i got it from pepboys for like 14 bucks.

[RustyJeep]

My duals that I have right now are 2"I.D. for the mufflers. They are Cherry Bombs, but I have heard of the Thrush ones, and they are pretty much exactly the same. I bought mine from Quality Farm & Fleet when they were still in business., but most any auto parts place can get you glasspacks...they're pretty much all the same.

[79cherokeewt]

right now i am running dual straight pipes one under each door and exit right before the rear tire. the exhaust is a 2" pipe and where the glasspacks should be the PO welded in a 2 1/2" pipe the look of a glasspack but a whole bunch louder :D i like the sound but i dont think mr police man would understand so i will be installing two 36" cherry bombs.

[BigBadWag]

WINGO, down South it's a little different :D The louder, the better! I don't really have to worry about the non-offroaders much because I only drive the Wag to the trail that I'm going wheeling on. Porkchop, this "Checkers" store must be some mid-western store, we don't have any around here :D Is it about the equivalent of AutoZone or Advance Auto Parts? Could I order glasspacks from those places? How much did your cherry bombs run you? -Zach

[Joe J-Truck]

Please don't run glasspacks on your fullsize jeep. Save them for the posuer chevies and mexicans cruisings their junk. If you put that loud rattley crap on your ride, I'll be the dude laughing at you yelling "JUNK!!!" as loud as I can out my window. You probably won't hear me because that's the reason those stupid "mufflers" are loud, so you can't hear people laugh at you.
If you really want to be cool and sound loud just run open pipes, then I'll have respect. other wise, get a real muffler, for the love of gawd.
Check summit racing, they have a turbo-style muffler for as little as you'll pay for a cherrybomb crapo-tube. It'll sound much less offensive and nobody will hate you.

[Rockwagon]

Hey BigBadWag I will have to agree with with your last statement about the south. I grew up in upstate New York and got in trouble all the time for loud muffs. I was out in the country up threre too. Down here I live right in the middle of a city and have never gotten questioned for noise or hieght. And by the way I am running duel 20" glasspacks. They sounded better when I had 4" tips at the end but I kept bashing them shut. So I cut it all off just aft of the rear axle. :eek: :D :cool:

[ironroad29]

look man i'm all about tossing the loser glasspack image if you want the good sound try summits welded mufflers they are fairly cheap and make good power off all the budget muffers they made the most. plus you make more power than with glass packs you lose low end tourqe with glass pack because you have no back pressure they just plain suck. plus it does scream "white trash " and this comming from a guy who grew up in the south (n.c.) i learned better than that plus i had enought attention from local and state law enforcement i didn't need glasspacks to send them a mating call...lol not saying anyone here who has 'em is white trash but i'm a southern boy and i'd be ashamed to have em on anything i own .hope i didn't step on any toes

[Rockwagon]

Ouch my **** toes !!!!! :confused:

[Joe J-Truck]

I'm white trash and proud, but I still don't like glasspacks

[ironroad29]

there's a differance between red neck and white trash ...trust me i found out last night ..met this girl...uhh another time maybe ....

[Joe J-Truck]

big differnence: White trash punk rockers vs. redneck cowboys Punks usually win because we've got steel-toed sneakers and baseball bats!

[RustyJeep]

Woah, woah, woah....punk rockers can't always be associated with white trash. :D I do admit tho, that I wear steel toed Dr. Martens and I'm even in a punk rock band. ;) It is true, that most glasspack mufflers do hinder performance. They create more turbulance in the airflow, and don't flow as good as a good welded muffler. Thats why I'm swapping mine out for Flowmasters. I love the resonant sound of Flowmasters. But...TO EACH HIS OWN. I won't judge someone because of their preference of muffler.

[ May 18, 2002: Message edited by: RustyJeep ]</p>

[ironroad29]

true true ...not my problem as long as i don't have em on my wag ..lol it's just a sore sport with me just like folks not using there turn signal ...rrrrrrrr

[porkchop]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ironroad29:
......plus it does scream "white trash "........ <hr></blockquote>

Guess I am in trouble! Someone might think I stold my wag :D .

I would love to go with the flow, pardon the pun, and get flow masters but I can not afford them. Do you have a link to these summit mufflers?

Checkers is the same as Kragen and Schucks. There are along the lines of an Auto Zone. But they have a performance shop in them. Most do anyway.

[TimB]

I had Doug Thorley headers with dual glasspacks on my '76 401 AMC Waggie. Now that I'm older, wiser and more deaf, I have 2 1/4" off the stock cast exhaust manifolds to a Y, then 2 1/2" single exhaust going thru a 40 series Flowmaster followed by a 12" glasspack on my '70 350 Buick Waggie. Nice and quiet so I can hear if my valvetrain needs adjusting or anything else under the hood needs attention. In my area, BLM won't allow you to drive with just a glasspack as it's considered straight thru exhaust with no spark arresting abilities. Go quiet and save your hearing. It might come in handy some day.

[ironroad29]

www.summitracing.com (http://www.summitracing.com)

[Rande]

Go get your glasspacks, don't listen to the nay-sayers. Just remember that they will burn out after a while and the closer to the engine, the faster they will go.
Joe J-Truck, don't bring your steel-toe sneakers and baseball bats to a gun fight ;) white-trash-punks are not yet on the "endangered species" list, but us redneck-cowboys are trying! tongue.gif

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[BigBadWag]

Well, it seems that we kinda strayed from the main topic there for a minute LMAO :D As for those Summit welded mufflers, they're $40 a piece!! If I was going to spend that much, I'd go ahead and buy Flowmasters. I agree with everyone that a Flowmaster would be THE BEST choice. But I already emptied my pockets for the Flowmaster exhaust on my S-10 (4.3 v6 and with Flowmasters sounds as good as most v8's) and I can't be spending all that on the Wagoneer. If everyone is so against glasspacks, then what's the story on these "Turbo" mufflers? What kinda sound/performance do they make? Thanks again for your opinions :D

[derf]

I just had a Flowmaster 50 series muffler and high flow cat installed on my wag. It sounds awesome. Nice rumble that opens up to a good but not deafening roar at speed. But it did cost me a lot more than your budget.

There is a competitor to Flowmaster that has welded mufflers for less. Not as good a sound but just as durable. I just wish I could remember the brand name.

If you are going to take your beast off road, I would recommend the Flowmasters. The all welded design holds up to all sorts of abuse. They can take direct hits from rocks and keep on purring.

But, glasspacks aren't too bad for a street muffler. If you have a good functioning exhaust system right now, I'd say save up a little and get a better quality system installed by a pro. No sense throwing away a decent exhaust for cheap junk that you'll have to replace in a year or two...

[Joe J-Truck]

The summit turbo muffler is $14.75, a buck and change less than thrush glasspacks and both are on page 188 of my new catalog.
OI OI OI!!
Go ahead and shoot em up, cowboy.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

[OBX FSJ]

What a hot button issue. Punks, gunfights, what a howl. We all have the redneck gene in common or we wouldn't be sitting here arguing over our exhaust on our weekend. Try a cowboy hat and boots on in most of the northeast you look like a tool. Wear Doc's and straps into a little bar in central Oregon you might have to grow some new teeth. We are all tourist somewhere else. But, really, isn't it all about having the power in the right place to pull through mud, or over dead fall, or rocks, or sand? Do $14 dollar glass- packs help. hell no. They suck up you ponies at the bottom end. I am as broke as anyone here. Military enlisted with kids. But, I know how to save a little. Don't buy that new fishing rod. You already own 3 deer rifles. Drink two Samuel Adams for the taste then switch to Coors to get the job done. Whatever! Suck it up, save it up, buy the flowmaster and your truck will love you. Or, be looked at like Joe Dirt. :D Life a garden..Dig it

[Don S]

TimB..I was young 4 dacades ago and had to advertise my presence to the Planet, the cops, and all the poor dumbdipps trying to sleep at night. It cost me dearly over the years including my Waggie burning 'cause I couldn't hear a leak in a manifold....but now I hehe just giggle as their truck gurgle by.....

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by TimB:
Nice and quiet so I can hear if my valvetrain needs adjusting or anything else under the hood needs attention. In my area, BLM won't allow you to drive with just a glasspack as it's considered straight thru exhaust with no spark arresting abilities. Go quiet and save your hearing. It might come in handy some day.<hr></blockquote>

...Eehhhh!....Eehhhh!..wha'd 'ee say??
Go for it guys waste a credit card.
:D tongue.gif ;) ...ds..

[johnypreflt]

Hey go with the glasspacks if you want the noise, they dont take away anypower from my J-10 and I love the rummmble. but if you want quieter sound and cheaper price go with the turbo thrush mufflers you can find at autozone, advance auto, trak auto, or pep-boys. quiet and cheap. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: just my 2cents worth

[Gary Holmes]

The original "Turbo" muffler was created for vehicles running turbochargers that needed less backpressure (not a good thing if you are trying to get the exhaust spinning the compressor.) Someone said "Hey, less back pressure, that's good right?" They didn't do their homework however and went with the testostrone instead. Most of the "Turbo" mufflers out there are Turbo" only in the name and really don't buy you anything anyway. But hey, you can't tell someone anything if they aleady have all the answers can you?

While I am on the soap box, I prefer "NOT" to have them hear me coming or to create a negative impression because of the overly load noise. You can hear enough noise just listening to the deaf people dialing up their over amped stereos. BTW, why is it that the ones with the loadest systems play the lousiest music?

[Jerk]

but you're not bitter are yuh, gary? I've tried and tried to dispell myths regarding exhaust, intakes, cams etc, to no avail, the "ol' dogs that can't learn new tricks", probably never could!... but that's them. exhaust is a personal taste. personally I like MELLOW and tuned sounding when idling and LOUD and tuned sounding when I stand on the go pedal... my hedmans, dual shorty 2.5" pipes and "turbos" allow me to do that, you can't even hear it idling 30 yards away, yet in the cab, the grins begins!

also, I hate the sound of 1.5" dual exhaust run into blownout glasspacks and into 4" inch chrome tips, but that about describes 80% of the older model v8 trucks in my town, you hear them everywhere, obnoxious punks... my op. -Matt

[CowKiller]

here in pa there are alot of so-called "fights" between the red necks and the punks, mstly us rednecks win. we just drive over their imports. hehe.

[Rockwagon]

Say NO TOO the TURBO!!!!!! just my need to vent. Want too save bucks go glasspack. Made of money than throw it at the flows!!!!!

[BigBadWag]

Haha, seems you have something against the turbo's Rockwagon. What are their downsides and why do you hate them so much? I'm just trying to get different opinions..

[Bombadier]

but yeah!.....
nice rig holmes....
I say no mufflers or cats or gerbils or twisty pipes.....our engines are big, so let them puppies breath!

[moneypit]

whitetrashcowboyredneckpunks with bats and guns come up here to Michigan and we just spray'em down with the garden hose, wait till they freeze and take postcard pictures of 'em..........aaaaaaaany way, my glass pack installed by the PO is old, but it isnt that loud. Nobody believes its a "cherry bomb" but it must be because of the combination of length of pipe between the Y-pipe and bomb, and the length and shape of the pipe after it. Theres about 23" before and 10 straight inches with an almost 90 degree bend down after. I would have either a Flowmaster, Dynomax (made by Walker) or a Warlock if I had the $$$$

[Archie]

When I ripped up my exhaust on my CJ, I had a friend custom bend me an exhaust pipe and we left the muffler off (its off road only). It was not only too loud, but very anoying (this is on a 258). I cut in a Thrush Glass Pack Muffler (2", 18" long) and it cut the sound down just enough. Now I can hear my spotter when I'm wheeling again :D