High Steer arms CAD drawing or blueprint?

[EnigmaticEngineer]

Anyone have such? Kind enough to post/email it to me?

I would like to try my hand and making my own set (I am a machinist by trade and will have no trouble with making them, I'd just like information to keep on hand if its available), especially if anyone has different varieties.

Thanks very much again, this forum has been a wealth of knowledge.
Nathan
EnigmaticEngineer@gmail.com

[j20brett]

tad has the files for the bolt pattern and spacing info.

[The_Turd]

Check out this thread...

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=96570

Hope that works... But that has a few things in there that MAY help :thumbsup:

[EnigmaticEngineer]

Check out this thread...

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=96570

Hope that works... But that has a few things in there that MAY help :thumbsup:

That thread is exactly what I wanted.



But if your buddy said 10 hours to make on a cnc, thats a bit steep...

I'm an aerospace machinist (process engineer technically when I'm actually employed lol)...basically means my job is to take a blue print, convert it to a 3d cad drawing, write the programs/processes for each of the operations (raw material to deburr and anything in between)...I am quite certain that if I started at 6 am, by noon i'd have the 3 processes programed and set up on a cnc mill making arms, and they should only take about maybe 15 minutes an arm to machine...(through 3 processes)

Hold raw stock a Kurt Vice mill flat then Flip (set the bottom Z axis reference) then mill the top flat and drill holes in the arm and machine the tapers...2nd move to a flat plate jig and Bolt it down through the holes that were drilled, cut out the outer profile...3rd op would be the 10 degree arm correction...sorry to ramble ;) This is of course strictly for a flat, single thickness arm (would only take 1 other op to make it taller with a machined in spacer.)

I Tried to attach a pic of random parts i've produced, but it says it was too big and its not important enough to resize ;)

Anyways...Long story short...

Thanks for the link to the other thread it has all the info I need to draw up a bunch of different options for high steer arms and play around in Solidworks.
Nathan.

[jaber]

I Tried to attach a pic of random parts i've produced, but it says it was too big and its not important enough to resize ;)

Nathan.

This thread will help you on your pics. Photobucket is free and it automatically resizes your pics when you upload to their site. Then you just copy a link from PB, and paste it into a thread.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=83038

HTH.:thumbsup:

[KJ Ryu]

That thread is exactly what I wanted.



But if your buddy said 10 hours to make on a cnc, thats a bit steep...

I'm an aerospace machinist (process engineer technically when I'm actually employed lol)...basically means my job is to take a blue print, convert it to a 3d cad drawing, write the programs/processes for each of the operations (raw material to deburr and anything in between)...I am quite certain that if I started at 6 am, by noon i'd have the 3 processes programed and set up on a cnc mill making arms, and they should only take about maybe 15 minutes an arm to machine...(through 3 processes)

Hold raw stock a Kurt Vice mill flat then Flip (set the bottom Z axis reference) then mill the top flat and drill holes in the arm and machine the tapers...2nd move to a flat plate jig and Bolt it down through the holes that were drilled, cut out the outer profile...3rd op would be the 10 degree arm correction...sorry to ramble ;) This is of course strictly for a flat, single thickness arm (would only take 1 other op to make it taller with a machined in spacer.)

I Tried to attach a pic of random parts i've produced, but it says it was too big and its not important enough to resize ;)

Anyways...Long story short...

Thanks for the link to the other thread it has all the info I need to draw up a bunch of different options for high steer arms and play around in Solidworks.
Nathan.

What control are you programming for? You mentioned having a Bridgeport, so I'm thinking g-code for Fanuc controls? I'm wondering if it would be possible for me to use your programs on a 5-axis Dynapath. It is capable of using g-code or it can be programmed in conversation mode. If not, could I get a copy of the Solidworks blueprint when you get it done?

[The_Turd]

That thread is exactly what I wanted.



But if your buddy said 10 hours to make on a cnc, thats a bit steep...

I'm an aerospace machinist (process engineer technically when I'm actually employed lol)...basically means my job is to take a blue print, convert it to a 3d cad drawing, write the programs/processes for each of the operations (raw material to deburr and anything in between)...I am quite certain that if I started at 6 am, by noon i'd have the 3 processes programed and set up on a cnc mill making arms, and they should only take about maybe 15 minutes an arm to machine...(through 3 processes)

Hold raw stock a Kurt Vice mill flat then Flip (set the bottom Z axis reference) then mill the top flat and drill holes in the arm and machine the tapers...2nd move to a flat plate jig and Bolt it down through the holes that were drilled, cut out the outer profile...3rd op would be the 10 degree arm correction...sorry to ramble ;) This is of course strictly for a flat, single thickness arm (would only take 1 other op to make it taller with a machined in spacer.)

I Tried to attach a pic of random parts i've produced, but it says it was too big and its not important enough to resize ;)

Anyways...Long story short...

Thanks for the link to the other thread it has all the info I need to draw up a bunch of different options for high steer arms and play around in Solidworks.
Nathan.

Well I will say I do envy you for being a machinist, its what I did throughout high school and did 1.5 yrs of college with machine tool tech as my major and I do miss it :(

And Ya I agree 10 hours did seem a bit steep to me too... but I wasn't gonna argue since it was a personal favor ;)

Hopefully you can make something out of that and maybe, and maybe you can share with us what you did come up with if you decide to do this yourself! I still could use a drivers side arm :thumbsup:

[gotmike]

What control are you programming for? You mentioned having a Bridgeport, so I'm thinking g-code for Fanuc controls? I'm wondering if it would be possible for me to use your programs on a 5-axis Dynapath. It is capable of using g-code or it can be programmed in conversation mode. If not, could I get a copy of the Solidworks blueprint when you get it done?


sooo...ron... does that mean you might be able to make some high steer arms??? and would they be limited to just a dana 44??? what about high steer arms for a dana 60??? we might just put you into business in your spare time... lol...

[EnigmaticEngineer]

What control are you programming for? You mentioned having a Bridgeport, so I'm thinking g-code for Fanuc controls? I'm wondering if it would be possible for me to use your programs on a 5-axis Dynapath. It is capable of using g-code or it can be programmed in conversation mode. If not, could I get a copy of the Solidworks blueprint when you get it done?

I've done programming for Fanuc, Yasnac, Haas, Bridgeport (old and new cnc setups) and its pretty much all the same, some of the syntax changes and canned cycles use different formats, but its usually pretty much the same....G-code with a twist I like to say...

My bridgeport, unfortunately, is in a friends garage in Phx as I don't have any concrete work space where I live (Yet...working on that too) and it is not a CNC regretfully...standard knee mill.

I am not putting a ton of effort into cad drawings for high steer arms at the moment (as I have no way to actually produce them) but in the future I hope to whip up multiple designs for production (I burn my candle at both ends And a couple places in the middle....no promises, trying to get SBA funding to start a small machine shop that caters to the automotive/off road world while running aerospace production work inbetween jobs for consistant income)

Long story short, I will post up any CAD work I do when I get around to doing it :)

Nathan

[EnigmaticEngineer]

Well I will say I do envy you for being a machinist, its what I did throughout high school and did 1.5 yrs of college with machine tool tech as my major and I do miss it :(

And Ya I agree 10 hours did seem a bit steep to me too... but I wasn't gonna argue since it was a personal favor ;)

Hopefully you can make something out of that and maybe, and maybe you can share with us what you did come up with if you decide to do this yourself! I still could use a drivers side arm :thumbsup:

It can be hard to do any serious work for friends as an employee of a machine shop. The 10 hour thing just caught my attention because the cheapest shop I ever worked for charged 85 an hour shop rate (programming, process engineering, setup and machining time) so 10 hours to make a set would be $850 Minimum charge...I know I've made Much more complicated things than high steer arms in Much less time and for much less money.

I hope to be set up sometime in the future (wish I could say Near future, but I cant) to be able to produce things like high steer arms, adapter brackets, custom this's and that's...I even have contacts that could throw me production aerospace small work (high volume, small part production) to keep a constant flow of cash to be able to offer cheaper prices on things like High Steer arms.. (they should NOT be 100-200 bucks and I think that I could manufacture them and sell them with hardware for just over 100 and still profit...could even mill/drill/tap knuckles and install arms and hardware for less than 200 but I digress.)

I'm off to the junkyard to get some lift springs off a 65 waggy for my SPOA High Steer Heim'd steering D44's.

Nathan

[KJ Ryu]

sooo...ron... does that mean you might be able to make some high steer arms??? and would they be limited to just a dana 44??? what about high steer arms for a dana 60??? we might just put you into business in your spare time... lol...

No reason the program couldn't be copied and altered for any knuckle. I just need to know all the dimensions. I think it would be feasible to use the knuckle as the jig to hold the arm for the final step, too. If not, I can make a jig, I'm sure.

[jaber]

I hope to be set up sometime in the future (wish I could say Near future, but I cant) to be able to produce things like high steer arms, adapter brackets, custom this's and that's...I even have contacts that could throw me production aerospace small work (high volume, small part production) to keep a constant flow of cash to be able to offer cheaper prices on things like High Steer arms..

I too am a machinist. If it comes down to you needing help, holler at me. I'll come show you what I can do for free. I dont have experience with CAD or CNC, but have set up and operated several types of lathes and mills. I worked for a guy making custom bullit aluminum shocks for sand rails and off road toys...:thumbsup:
The ideas are startin to flow....

[EnigmaticEngineer]

I too am a machinist. If it comes down to you needing help, holler at me. I'll come show you what I can do for free. I dont have experience with CAD or CNC, but have set up and operated several types of lathes and mills. I worked for a guy making custom bullit aluminum shocks for sand rails and off road toys...:thumbsup:
The ideas are startin to flow....


The ideas never stop flowing for me (I lose sleep every night thanks to 'idea's lol) and I know darn well that machine shops charge WAY TOO MUCH for some basic products like high steer arms and brackets...I've done quoting, materials acquisition, process engineering and final product production and its amazing the profit margin shops make. It is un-necessary and someone needs to step up and provide High Quality parts for a much more reasonable price....high steer arms, for example, should NOT be 160 + shipping for basic, non tapered TRE hole arms...it just doesn't cost anywhere Near that to make.

I'm rambling again...
Maybe someday, hopefully soon, I'll be in a position to offer high quality, ready to go high steer arms shipped for under $100.

Nathan.

[j20brett]

Edit: I see you've done your homework, but in reality, it takes time to do all these and then run the risk of being sued. Gotta pay to play ;)