Relocating PS Pump - whos done it???

[toyjeep]

I would like to lower my PS pump to allow better flow from my remote reservoir. I will be draining the system to add in my assist ram soon, and figure that is a good time to do it. After much searching here, there, and everywhere I certainly cannot find an aftermarket mount to do this for me. So, I am figuring that I will be one offing a mount, but if I recall it is a fairly complicated mount to reproduce. It has been a while since I took it off, but its two pieces and I believe aluminum (so I won’t be cutting it up and rewelding).

I have a full PSC hydro assist system with the P-pump (I think) that fits in the stock location :cool: .

Ideally I would lower it 4”-6”. So, anyone done this? Any pics? Any premade mounts I am not finding?

Nothing on Bulltear or BJ’s, so I am assuming there is nothing prefab.

Thanks.

~Jeremy

[Elliott]

I bought a billet mount set but never got to fabbing the plate to locate it off of yet... I was going to try and position it so I could use the same size PS belt.
I'm doing it for the same reason as I have a large reservoir to cool for the HB also.
Maybe if we get something to work like that with a billet set Bulltear will produce the mounting plate from what we get to work?

[toyjeep]

I PM'ed Bulltear on Pirate a while ago about this, but never got a response. With as high on the block as these pumps are, and as many people that run aftermarket systems, its hard to believe this is not solved yet.

Guess it shows how many SBC swaps there are.

[mrtazwrench]

I have brackets fabed for a second P/S pump where the air pump goes on my 82 J20, it runs the snow plow pulls fluid from a res cut into the inner fender. I'll have to try to get some pics of it up here someday.

[Elliott]

Now we are talking, this would be nice for a dual pump setup for hydroboost and steering assist. I'd wondered if that would work.

[toyjeep]

:worthless:

Lets see some pics!!!

[Michael]

It should be really easy, to make a few brackets that mount off the existing pump to where the air pump used to be and clock it a bit. It should be a bit easier that my dual pump set up I would think.
But then again if that were the case I would have put my second pump there....

[Elliott]

This pump clocks the fill hose off towards the drivers side when the front mounting bolts are located in a horizontal alingment:
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10160/DCP_3652.JPG
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10160/DCP_3654.JPG

I bought March small block billet mount that I think would permit lowering the pump by using a plate mounted to the block but I was looking into that strictly as a single pump set up as the plate would locate off the OEM PS pump mount. I'm pretty sure that the OEM mount places the pump/pulley groove further out from the block than a Chevy mount so I figured I'd have room to use a plate behind the March mount and even add spacers if required to get the pulley to line up correctly. I suppose you could potentially do a twin pump mount there using March mounts if it works for one but it's not a cheap way to go and it might be better to use OEM GM block mounts. Just some thoughts on it...

Here's the March bracket, you can get a lot better idea of how it mounts by looking at the pdf for assembly that I think is on Summit Racing's site:
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo53/65Gladiator/Miscellaneous/th_MarchChevySmallBlockMount-SummitRac.jpg (http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo53/65Gladiator/Miscellaneous/MarchChevySmallBlockMount-SummitRac.jpg)

[jeepsr4ever]

We are working on a mount for stock location and when we are done I will have the guys here look at other locations.

[Elliott]

Cool, and Thank You! On a side note and slightly off topic... Howe Performance used to sell a dual pump setup that ran two pumps facing each other and using the same pulley. Apparently they could no longer get ahold of reverse direction pumps and discontinued the setup. So... if you know of a source for reverse direction pumps... :D

Here's Howe's dc'd dual TC set up:

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo53/65Gladiator/HB/Dual-TC-PS_Pumps.jpg

[mrtazwrench]

The setup I got used to have the pump from a dodge to run the plow, it's a factory dodge plow, the pump died so I put a FSJ one on and it lined up a lot better. I used some of the hardware from the air pump, and some of what was fabed by the welding shop that converted it to FSJ around 20 years ago, it's not pretty but does the job.

[toyjeep]

We are working on a mount for stock location and when we are done I will have the guys here look at other locations.

:thumbsup:

Thats what I like to hear.

[dusty]

We are working on a mount for stock location and when we are done I will have the guys here look at other locations.


sure would be nice to get away fromt eh motor another 1" or so nothing like an HEI and some wires to pinch inbetween teh PS pump and the distributor

[toyjeep]

BTT

[Elliott]

I just sold a hydroboost to a local here with a Scrambler/304 and he runs steering assist so... he wanted to run a second pump for the HB. Now, he has the later model PS pump brackets that have the fittings for the air pump, got them from me. He picked up an '85 K30 w/HB PS pump that was for HB and it's the round can with a filler neck to use a remote res. I showed him my 360 on the engine stand with an airpump and he's going to fab a mount to fit his second pump down there where the air pump was. Using the same size pulley it will run off the OEM pump pulley at the same speed and pump out 1500psi strictly designated for the hydroboost. With the pump down lower he's going to fit a remote reservoir I provided from an Astro van with the large hose and his pump should be low enough to allow the res to work. Since he was figuring to do the install this weekend... I hope to have pics soon.:thumbsup:

[Elliott]

Ok, well... it's dark and cold out now but I have this 360 sitting there on my engine test stand. Jason is hung up with work and hasn't done his mod yet so in a couple of days when it warms up I'm going jump on trying to get one of these pumps in there where the air pump fits and run off the same pulleys/belts if it goes well. I'm going to use a GM round can pump with remote reservoir as this should place the pump low enough to allow the reservoir to feed the pump.

[toyjeep]

Looking forward to seeing this.

My Jeep did not have emissions when I got it. Infact, it already had a I-6 to 360 swap. So I have never seen an air pump, or where it mounts.

[Elliott]

Ok, on rigs not equipped with the air pump there won't be any holes for the brackets on the PS pump mount. If I get to it before dark tonight I'll get some pics to start with and I'm expecting this to be a very simple adaptation. If it works out like that I'll provide measurements... or maybe Jason will beat me to it.

[Subic Jeep]

Here is 2 pumps:thumbsup:

I ended up for now running dual power steering pumps. Works great. I used an old waggy pump and put it where the Ac Compressor is. Here are some pics...http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/87redwag/jeepdualpump-1.jpg


http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/87redwag/jeepdualpump.jpg

That was a budget deal, I had the extra pump and resevoir, I used the hb line that I used to go to the gear box when I just ran the hb unit no hydro assist. Cost was about $50. It did run hot but I put a bigger cooler on it and so far it works. I have only wheeled it once and I love having both......

[Elliott]

That's one way but you lose your AC (I'm an Alaskan in Texas remember) and it won't permit you to use a remote reservoir.
I started the second pump relocation at the air pump mounting point today and I've put pics up over here to follow:

http://www.txfsja.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166&p=591#p591

If I don't have it worked out by the end of Thanksgiving... then somebody dropped off an extra fifth of JD at my place over the holiday... ;)

[Subic Jeep]

I'm an Alaskan in Texas remember

I am a Finn in Philippines, yeah sure we need our AC, or:alc:
http://templewines.co.uk/images/Blowup_JPG_IMAGES/finlandia_vodka.jpg

[Elliott]

That's one way but you lose your AC (I'm an Alaskan in Texas remember) and it won't permit you to use a remote reservoir.
I started the second pump relocation at the air pump mounting point today and I've put pics up over here to follow:

http://www.txfsja.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166&p=591#p591

If I don't have it worked out by the end of Thanksgiving... then somebody dropped off an extra fifth of JD at my place over the holiday... ;)


I've added more pics over on that thread and this is turning out to be a remarably simple modification. When I have it all mapped out I'll give specs for fabbing everything you need or if you are really crazy for it I can run some drawings to a shop here with a lazer and get all the brackets cut out so you can just plug in a pump and go.

[dan58]

Did you get this system to work? I just want to lower my steering pump, and I don't have an air pump or need for two steering pumps.

This pump clocks the fill hose off towards the drivers side when the front mounting bolts are located in a horizontal alingment:
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10160/DCP_3652.JPG
http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10160/DCP_3654.JPG

I bought March small block billet mount that I think would permit lowering the pump by using a plate mounted to the block but I was looking into that strictly as a single pump set up as the plate would locate off the OEM PS pump mount. I'm pretty sure that the OEM mount places the pump/pulley groove further out from the block than a Chevy mount so I figured I'd have room to use a plate behind the March mount and even add spacers if required to get the pulley to line up correctly. I suppose you could potentially do a twin pump mount there using March mounts if it works for one but it's not a cheap way to go and it might be better to use OEM GM block mounts. Just some thoughts on it...

Here's the March bracket, you can get a lot better idea of how it mounts by looking at the pdf for assembly that I think is on Summit Racing's site:
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo53/65Gladiator/Miscellaneous/th_MarchChevySmallBlockMount-SummitRac.jpg (http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo53/65Gladiator/Miscellaneous/MarchChevySmallBlockMount-SummitRac.jpg)

[Elliott]

I quit messing with the March brackets. You can use the ones I had made to just lower your pump, or at least lower a round can pump. I'll have to check the ham can to be sure it works just the same but I'm about 95% positive you can put a ham can pump down there just as well.

[dan58]

Here's my current setup. PSC p-pump and reservoir with full hydro. Where would I go about buying your brackets?

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/dan58jeeptj/pile%20rebuild%202010/IMG_0972.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/dan58jeeptj/Pile%20Rebuild%202008/steering_top.jpg

[Elliott]

Yep, I see the need and you have the right pump can and about everything else you need. I put the link to the brackets here in the vendor section: http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=115107

That gives you the links for the for sale info and details that went into it. I'll pm you my paypal address.

Please post up here how it works out for you.

Thanks,
Elliott

[Subic Jeep]

Dan58,

How is full hydro on the road?? If you could answer to this thread thanks.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?p=1042789#post1042789

[toyjeep]

Here's my current setup. PSC p-pump and reservoir with full hydro. Where would I go about buying your brackets?

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/dan58jeeptj/pile%20rebuild%202010/IMG_0972.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/dan58jeeptj/Pile%20Rebuild%202008/steering_top.jpg

Why the double 90? It looks like you could do the same thing with 1 90.
I like where you put your reservoir ... here is my set up which is why I started this thread ...
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Engine%20Stuff/IMGP1008.jpg

Edit: I bought the 1st set of Eliot's relocation brackets ... I just have not had the time to get them installed. Hopefully I will in the next couple weeks andpost up some pics.

[dan58]

[FONT='Tahoma','sans-serif']I like where you put your reservoir

As for the 90s, I forget anymore. Adapters, I think.

I'm going to coilovers f/r with links, so I'll have a new place to mount the new 8" PSC reservoir.

[Elliott]

Why the double 90? It looks like you could do the same thing with 1 90.
I like where you put your reservoir ...

Edit: I bought the 1st set of Eliot's relocation brackets ... I just have not had the time to get them installed. Hopefully I will in the next couple weeks and post up some pics.


Got those brackets on there and run it yet?

[toyjeep]

Well ...... short answer ....



no


I did buy a power-steering-pulley-remover-replacer set. Just have not gotten to it among my other "projects."

The pump is removed and sitting on the bench, awaiting the p-s-p-r-r to get awn it .... I swear it will happen soon(ish).

[Elliott]

He, he, I'm not one to be able to fault anyone for taking their time on a project. :thumbsup:

[toyjeep]

This should be complete today since I have a trip scheduled for this coming weekend. I just need to get the right size belt, tried 5 different ones but need to go to another NAPA since the closest was out of stock.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Suspension/DSCN0022.jpg

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Suspension/DSCN0023.jpg

The only thing that bothers me about this set up is how close the belt gets to the heater hose. I doubt you could run a belt on the inside pulley. My attempts of getting a picture down inside the engine compartment were poor, but you get the idea.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Suspension/DSCN0017.jpg

Nice job on figuring this all out Elliot :thumbsup: . I did have to remake one of the brackets (luckly it was the straight one) since it sat on my bench so long it walked away :confused: . I ended up using 3/4" DOM for my spacers. I will try and get a better picture of them today.

[Elliott]

Cool, and thanks for the heads up on the coolant hose clearance issue on that inside pulley groove. Shouldn't need to use that groove anyway since you are on the main pump groove now and just lowered it.
Now, if you ever wanted to run another pump up top you could use an airpump belt so it's just a reversal of the belts with a different length one used to run the primary pump below.

Hadn't thought about using thick wall DOM instead of bushings. I'll look at what I find for wall thickness and maybe offer that.

[toyjeep]

I think the heater hose issue is bigger than I thought. I have a big groove in my hose now. Apparently it does touch. I am headed to the parts store to see what i can find in the flexible variety 'cause I need to load this thing on a trailer tomorrow :eek: :cool: :eek: !!

[toyjeep]

Here is my temporary fix for this weekend.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Suspension/DSCN0027.jpg

Without two pumps on there the belt adjustment is very minimal because of the pivot location. Sometime in the future I may take my grill/fender off and try and get the pivot point on the bottom of the pump.

[Elliott]

Hmmm, what do you think about pulling the radiator to have different angle brazed for that outlet? I know you gotta clear the steering box too...

[Elliott]

Who has the dual pump setup installed and running that can give me some feedback on how it's working for you? Is the belt tension working ok?

Let me know folks, Thanks :thumbsup:

[68glad]

Elliot, I've installed the dual p/s pumps and have had no problems with the belt tension. No slipping or squealing. At first I tried using only the original pump for steering and hydroboost but quickly blew out the "t" on the return line. The "t" was a non barbed pos so I should have expected it. I just felt like I was maxing out the one p/s pump all the time. After seeing your link to the texas forum I was inspired to do my own and have had zero problems. Thanks for being the guinea pig on this one.:thumbsup: I'd post pics but we all know what p/s pumps look like.

[Elliott]

That's good news sir! Thanks for sharing the info. :)

[toyjeep]

Mine has been under the knife for a month or more, but I plan to bend a short peice of tube to go go under the belt. The hose I bought kinked and is all but useless now.

Next weekend this will happen ...... I hope ;) .

[Elliott]

Any luck?

[toyjeep]

I have cut up some tube and I need to hit the auto parts store and get a 90 degree hose and some straight hose.

Been working on the stuff I can't do during the week so this hit back burner .... again.

I think I ahve it figured out though.......maybe....

[toyjeep]

Finally got around to finishing this.

Hose on bench:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Engine%20Stuff/IMGP1339.jpg

Hose in place:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/toyjeep1/Engine%20Stuff/IMGP1340.jpg

[toyjeep]

Ooops - Double post

[Elliott]

That got it done!