I cannot believe the commercial I just saw about SUV's and terrorist!

[KYJ10]

Has anyone else seen this. Something like "This is Goerge filling up his SUV". "This is the oil exec that buys the oil for Goerges SUV". " These are some of the counties, that sell oil to the oil exec, that supply the oil, that Goerge is putting into his SUV". "These are the terrorist camps, that get money from these countries, that sell oil to oil execs, that sell the oil that Goerge is putting into his SUV". Bla Bla. Well then stop b*tching about drilling on some tiny spot in Alaska. If there argument is true, wheres the priority, cut off funding to these suposed terrorist ties, or saving some Elk? Which by the way, taste great. I can't believe the crap I see anymore. They used the same Elk argument when they built the Alaska pipe line years ago, and Paul Harvey said a few weeks ago, the Elk pop has grown 200% because of the easments(no trasspassing zones), the pipe line created. Sorry, had to vent, Dennis

[gsmikie]

thats nothing you should see how many people are involved with the drug trade .........george.......the guy that sells to george etc....etc i mean bin laden is the world 's largest supplier

[M1Garandfan]

I wonder if the name "George" was a coincidence?

[sjp88grndwagon]

I saw that crap too, what a load. I can not understand the propaganda that is being produced. These guys are attemting to play the fear card with everything. They would like us all to ride bikes

[M1Garandfan]

I think they would prefer no humans at all on the "mother earth"

[Lindel]

just keep in mind who they are, eco-nazis

[KYJ10]

Im sure you people in CA really get an overflow of this crap. And "NO", Im sure the name Goerge, was not a coincedence. Be a liberal, where feelings trump reason, diversity trumps competence and career polititicians buy someone else's vote with my tax dollars. A Republican majority is a breath of fresh air after a half century of Democratic rule which only proved that Fredrich Hayek was right: "Socialism is a road to hell, paved with good intentions." TQ

[JeepBountyHunter]

I guess they should also include other vehicles besides SUV's I mean, chances are the people involved in the tv ad, drives cars that use.....what else folks? Petroleum products??? I mean c'mon...get a life!

[Heimeken]

Thinking from a business point of view, everything we buy is marked up. For example if I buy a tire for $100, chances are it took about $10 of material to make. But someone has a job that made the tire, someone else markets it, someone else sells it and someone else installs it. Point is that the the person supplying the material prolly got the least percent of my money. The guy at the gas station, fuel truck driver, refinery worker, advertisers.... All have jobs because we use gas and most of the profit from it stays here in the good 'ol USA.

Ah! Now I feel better.

I guess this thread in the wrong place.

[mitch8888]

One of the big names behind this ad campaign is a woman named Araina Huffington, who is somewhat of a celeb, and used to be rather conservative politically, made the rounds on the talk shows, etc. Now she's showing her true wacko views and has lost whatever credibility she had...

This just really makes me mad. :mad:

[ January 31, 2003, 10:58 PM: Message edited by: mitch8888 ]

[2nd Day]

there was a previous post about this too....anyone know the link?

[kyjman]

As soon as George's(Bubba W) war starts the price of gas will go way up. Then as the war rages on the price will drop a little. The after we have control of Iraq's oil, George will declare another war in the name of peace. This one will be for the security of America...ie we need more oil....and then after we have control of the worlds oil America can really rule. Now if we were to happen to not gain control of these oil supplies....then it won't be long until we wont even be able to buy a gallon of gas....So I say enjoy this vast supply of oil while we can....buy your SUV today and help George(Bubba W) with his Daddy's war, and his bid for re-election....thank you.

[timmirvin]

Hey!!! kyjman....please allow me to make a suggestion. Go to your television, turn on FoxNews. Or watch the "Behind the Headlines" episodes on the Discovery Channel this week. When you do, let me know if you still think this is any one individual's war.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but this forum deserves informed ones.

Just my opinion...

Tim

[kyjman]

Time will tell what this war is about. I see the big picture, and dont rely on the FCC ran media. Thank you

[kyjman]

Heres an update.....I watched some television today.....I saw some cookies talking in a microwave oven, I saw a man that could fly, I think his name was Superman....I saw some kind of man claiming to know God really good and begging for money, I think he didn't want to sell the big ring he was wearing.......I saw a lizzard and dog having a conversation......and now i find out that a man that has taken so many drugs in his life he can barely move, has a popular show on TV.

I think I'll pass on getting my information from the television....my opinion !!

[lanierboy]

Sean Hennedy interviewed Araina Huffington on his talk show and it was kind of interesting. Sean told her that he found her commercials offensive especially while she rides around in limos and private jets. On top of that, one of the major contributors to the campaign has a 41 car garage. He told her the hypocrisy was offensive.

In her defense, she back-pedaled like crazy, saying this was a simply a parody to the drug commercials and a satire like Johnathan Swifts "A modest Proposal" which addressed the famine in Ireland. However, she claimed that her campaign contributed to decisions by the major auto manufacturers to build hybrid and other worthless types of cars.

Although I have little respect for effete snobs like Araina, I do believe these commercials are little more than comic relief and not something to take seriously.

[timmirvin]

"FCC ran media" and I thought I was sittin' out on the Right Wing somewhere.........

[blt2krl]

I love the greens, they actually think the human race can control the earth. I'm sure I not alone in my feels of taking care of our environment but when are the wackos going to experience a little natural selection. Whats next away to stop earth quakes, volcanic eruptions, erosion, and pretty much every earth processes that has been active for the last 1.6 billion years.

[wrinkledmeat]

I thought the interview with Arianna Huffington and Hannity was a good match. Although I disagree with her stance, she was holding her own pretty well...right up to the point she was asked how much electricity her 8,000SF home consumed in a year...I can't help but think that lifes own cruelly ironic twists of fate will find Arianna clinging to a respirator after her hybrid gets spanked by a gas guzzling SUV... :D

[kd7ctv]

I saw that they where going to be airing these commercials on the news and my first thought was what a bunch of idiots, I mean they are targeting SUV's as gas guzzlers, ok nothing about Big trucks I mean when I drove OTR trucking I used to get 7mpg if I was lucky and had 300 gallon tanks, I guess I or I should say the comany I drove for really supported terrorism, Or hey we forgot about air travel, I mean those big jumbo jets use they're fair share of fuel, so the airline industy must be supporting terrorism as well, We can go on but I think that some knuckle head thinks that they can persuade americans by saying that something supports terrorism and wow we'll just change our ways. Ohh has anyone noticed, since buying and or doing drugs supports terrorism if there has been a signaficant decline in the usage of illegal drugs, I am not thinking there has been...

[maxrad]

The world is full of hypocracy...

These Green talking heads think that their rights are more important than us "common folk." You no longer see these Green, communist funded and influenced, people riding around in VW microbusses with flowers painted on the sides.

The "Greens" drive around in new SUV's, expensive Euro cars or expensive Lexus-type Japanese sedans that get only marginal better fuel consumption than our Jeeps. They remind me of Red Communist Russia where the rich and politicians had their own private traffic lanes and large limos while the common folk drove in Trabby's that they waited years to receive, if lucky to get one at all.

When rich (mostly Hollywood liberals) people can play by their own rules, drive Suzuki's and GEO's, live in small efficient houses, boat only in sailing (not motor) yahts, recycle ALL their trash, stop funding communist/socialist/terrorist organizations, stop lobbying for their land development (while denying others to do the same), halt their frivolous expensive fuel-burning vacation flights, will I ever take them for more than a grain of salt.

Remember: rich people are called "eccentric" while poor people are just called "crazy."

These people are not only stupid and lacking intellect, but they don't even know that they are being sponsored by the Anti-US/communist agenda bodies funded through various institutions and foundations (that also help fund terror groups) thoughout the globe.

The whole idea is to get us to feel guilty, desire to increase taxes and send it to socialist causes, create UN enviromental buffer zones where residents are removed, remove our constitution and morals, send our business and money to communist China so that they can invade us later.

ciao

[Tim728]

{......and now i find out that a man that has taken so many drugs in his life he can barely move, has a popular show on TV.}

Ozzy Osbourne has MS thats why he can hardley walk!! but I guess you already knew that because you "see the big picture" So I guess you think it's ok to make fun of disabled people?

[kyjman]

I did not make fun of anyone. I leave that to others. And I do see the "big picture" and understand how some things I say would upset others. Have I said anything to personnaly upset you? Think about what a gallon of gas will be worth in 50 years !!! Then think about what country should be controlling it.

[Rusty Wag]

Well guys all I can say is vote, and lighten up...All you can do is vote, and get others to vote...Just remember carrer politicians are loyal to no one...I believe personally that we should mind our own buisness and focus on the actual terriost with well placed sniper rounds...

[LarryD]

Thumbs down to the dumb Great Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley MoogleyGreat Googley Moogley commercial. I will say that I DID have (on two occasions in So Cal) some folks with funny English try to buy my Suburban. I also had it nearly stolen once while there too. :mad: :mad:

I think 'conserve'atives have done more to 'conserve' the environment than all of the toucy, feely, liberals in the country. Life DOES flow, species come and go regardless of what we do.

A well tuned FSJ is more environmentally friendly than any econobox owned by a pink and fuzzy liberal.

Yeah, we be cool........ :cool: :cool: :D :D

[Joe Guilbeau]

Well,

Personally I think that by driving my 77 Cherokee Chief at 8-10 MPG that I saved tons (literally) of fuel simply because I couldn't afford to put 25 Thousand miles a year into the vehicle, and trading it in 3 years later for a new model that the Big Three impose (disposable in reality).

Of course, all those folks who fly to these press conferences in those commercial airlines might want to consider the MGP per Person these vehicles get, not to mention the high tech cruise missles that they make when placed in the wrong hands.

Wonder why the gun control types aren't suing the Airling industries on the basis of those musings.

And by the way, if this was about oil, then why didn't George Bush Sr., just go ahead and Nationalize the Oil Fields 10 years ago, and give all americans free gas?

I really don't see how Nation Building equates to OPEC's pricing strategies, or am I missing something here?

I know what goes around, comes around, just look at the Shah of Iran and the ensuing problems that entailed, at least one thing is clear, when China struts her stuff in about 50 years, we will all band together to engage that threat.

Or maybe it will be India/Pakistan, who can predict. Perhaps we should apease all of the tyrants of the world, worked well up until about 1940, right?

After all, the Kymer Rouge didn't "bother" anyone, didn't hear much about that, now did we?

JAG

[LarryD]

Remember, folks, the difference between 'Affluence' and 'Effluence' is only one letter. :eek: :D :D :D It all depends on what you do with what you got.

I live in an energy efficient house that I built myself. I recycle, I plant my own food, I hunt, I fish. I drive my 'big' trucks. I been broke and not so broke. Right now I'm not so broke but I remember where I came from. :D

I love my Grand Waggy, warts and all and I can still hit a grapefruit with my Kimber at 50 yards. (That's YARDS). :D

The folks on this web are the best.......and :cool:

Semper Fi

[LarryD]

One more post and I'll TRY to shut up (may be hard to do). I'm Native American (no, not aboriginal American). My Daddy was full blood Cherokee, Mom ......Heinz 57 Variety with a bit of Sioux but who cares. I grew up in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East and I KNOW the mentality of our Islamic 'brothers and sisters'. Despite the nice manners on the surface of some of them you see on tv, deceit and treachery are just under the skin. The absolute worst thing in the world for a muslim is to be governed by the 'infidel'. If a muslim lives there, you can bet some fundamentalist will try to start a jihad and bring in Islamic law.

My Marine Corps career was on the Pacific rim so I'm kinda familiar with that area of the world too. Those same 'brothers and sisters' are there as well. Just getting a toe hold you know.

It's not about oil at all. People laughed at Henry ford at first too because there were no gas stations...........guess what? Hell, Americans could find a way to run cars on concrete if we wanted to.

This whole issue is about control and power. Saddam was a murderer when he was 14.....his kids are the same way. nothing changes..........rant......rant.......rant.

George W. is the most Presidential Presidents we've had in a long time.........let the man do his job.

Semper Fi,

Larry
USMC Retired

[maxrad]

Hey LarryD,

I understand that Germany won't allow us to take our firearms there anymore. That sucks!

You must be currently stationed there right?

I lived there from '86 to '92 then from '95 to '99 (10 years, half my career).

As a partial democracy that is steeped with socialism they have incredible fuel costs for cars. They pay about the same for one liter (about a quart) of gas than we pay for a gallon (about 4 liters). No matter how much the German government forces the gas taxes up (to subsidise the public transportation system) people still pay these extorsive prices for the over-taxed gas.

The same hypocracy applies in Europe that is what they are trying to do here. You will NOT see a rich German on public transportation. The politicians want to keep all the little "Volk" off the streets and in the trains (a failing buisness), yet I see new-model V8 Audis and Mercedes flying by me on the Autobahn constantly like fuel costs nothing.

You see, for the rich socialist policy makers (the Green party runs things there now) they can tax the fuel all they want since they can afford it...

Karl Marx is alive and well and living in modern Europe!!!

[Joe J-Truck]

I'm proud to own and drive a 60's big block musclecar that gets worse mileage than any SUV produced! Only in the god-blessed USA could I afford to drive it @ 10 MPG. In any other country fuel costs too much, so it would have to stay parked. USA! USA! USA!
We as a country need oil, and lots of it. I think we should drill in Alaska and wherever else we can. There are ways to do it in an ecologically friendly manner.

[mitch8888]

If the US goes ahead with the war with Iraq, it won't be about oil. If we wanted that oil so bad, we could just take it, or could have taken it 12 years ago. Also on the oil prices, yes they may go up a little with the "war jitters" as they did back in '90, they may stay up for a little while, but then they will tank just like they did back then. I'm not really worried about it.

[KYJ10]

I didn't mean to start a pissing contest here, just get tired of the left's same old regurgitated crap over and over. If a hybrid could clean all 4 of my 38's , I might give it a thought. Untill then, keep your hands of my gas guzzling 360!!!!!!!!!

[timmirvin]

I tell ya what. I hate workin' 12/12 shift!! I get to miss the best part of this discussion!!!!

I am ex Army Major currently workin' offshore in the Gulf of Mexico. I love high oil prices!!!!!! When oil exceeds $30 a barrel we are drilling like mad men. And I don't care how much my gas costs....I am still going to drive what I choose.....I love the USA!!!!!

I aggree with alot of what has been said here. I, personally do not think the Iraq thing is about its oil reserves. It is more about the stability of the region. Yes, there is obviously the threat of some raghead terrorist getting his hands on something that could be ugly if deployed in the Continental US, but the stability of the region is what is important.

This stability is important for several reasons. The two I am most familiar with are Isreal and International Oil. The world's oil supply/market is a fragile and complicated matter. But to offer a bottom line.....The status quo is what is best for the US national security and economy. Cheaper oil prices are not beneficial, and higher oil prices are not beneficial. The Administration may say that "our" goal is to greatly diminish our reliance/dependence on international oil or even negate it. Bottom Line: that is not possible or realistic. Maintaining a delicate balance between our dependence on international oil and our own exploration, development, and production is the only thing that makes sense....and is a reasonable goal.

Our alliance with Isreal. This is a more problematic issue by far than the oil dependence matter. Whether published or not, we have closer ties to Isreal than to Great Britian or any other ally for that matter. You can argue all you want, have sat in on the DOD and State Dept. briefings. That is the way it is, and will ALWAYS be. And there are regional political/religious issues that will (in my opinion) keep the US from ever bringing a complete and lasting peace to that region. We will try, and that will keep us out of hot water with the Muslim community. But I don't believe it will ever happen.

OK, my "two cents" turned into a quarter....but we have one of the best, if not the best, Administrations our govt has ever seen in office at present. This is not "George's" war or his "daddy's war," it is OUR war. It will be fought so we can all keep driving our FSJs.....no matter the mpg.

I love this forum..........
Tim

[VT_ZJ]

Alright, I'm sitting here reading all of the responses and thought I'd chime in.

First of all, after Sept. 11, all I heard were the Democrats *****ing about "George had hints that what was getting ready to happen was coming, and he did NOTHING about it!!! for goodness sake lets chastise him over any little thing possible since he beat our beloved Al Gore!!",,,,nowadays, my main man, George W. (best **** president we've had in a good long while), is doing just that, retaliating the terroristic regime that wants nothing but the end of America and the freedom for which she stands....and now, what do I hear daily?........Anti war this,,,anti retallation that. Make up your damb minds. I'm in college, yet, I'd drop everything in a heartbeat if my duty called upon me to defend the freedom of my beloved Virginia. Sorry for the ranting, it just drives me absolutely crazy when a certain "few" ***** about how the war is wrong. To them, I say this: the next time you spend money fixing up an anti-war posterboard protest symbol, realize that the few bucks you just spent on materials could have bought the one or two extra M-16 shells that would have saved the life of John Q. Soldier protecting the freedom you so truly cherish.

[timmirvin]

VT, don't beat around the proverbial bush....tell us how you REALY feel!!lol

Here, here.......!!!!!

[VT_ZJ]

Ha ha,,,,,the average Southern VA bread college student finally breaks the "politically correct" barrier and says what needs to be said!!

clay