1973 J4800 4BTA Cummins swap

[COLOFIREMAN]

The donor truck is a 1994 Grumman 24' van from the very rusty city of Chicago. I paid $1800.00 for it and it only has 123K on the whole truck. Before I bought it though I confirmed this through the company records and I was able to speak to the fleet tech directly. As it turns out the truck ran excellent and I even drove it 150 miles after I got it home. The best thing about the truck is it's a intercooled version and came with hydraboost. I plan to mate it to the a NV4500

I have a built D60 Chevy for the front and a D70 for the rear. Both have ARB's and 4.88 but I will be running 39's so I hope it will not be too deep of a gear. I plan to take the Premire Welder off of my CJ and the A/C converted air compressor, if I'm able to make it fit. Should be a tough vehicle so I can explore and not have to worry about breaking, elevation, MPG, or power when pulling the off road trailer I built to match.
Here's the van that I bought in Chicago.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Misc20pics200251.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

This is the vehicle....

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/JeepsPics001.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/flatbed-1.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

This is the first step to the swap is the easy part. New pictures to follow....

[COLOFIREMAN]

The motor I have in this truck is going into 1973 Jeep grand Wagoneer that I blew the motor on two years ago plowing snow. The wife wants me to sell it once I've installed the motor in it. I said, "Sure I will......", but inside I was thinking, "Not a chance" :D

[COLOFIREMAN]

This is the turbo I'm using, it's from a 98' Dodge 6BT. I'm also test fitting the manifold that I had cut and welded here locally, thanks CrewCab for the great idea!!! The guy killed about 6 rods welding it due to the cracks, thats what I get for a free manifold. Once I test fit it and get it running well I'll probibly use one from Mooktank. The manifold is also from the 98' 6BT
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_0521.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_0531.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

The transmission is going to be a NV4500 that came out of a 1996 Dodge truck. I also plan to run a NP205 Transfer Case. I'll have to machine the back of the transmission a little to enlarge and seal on the power-shaft that joins the input of the T/C and the output of the transmission.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_0561.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

This is the motor plate I found at a yard here. The guy didn't know what it was worth so I was able to "steal" it for $40.00.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_0581.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

These are the axles I'm using. Front is a Dana 60 that came out from under a Chevy one ton dually. I converted the hubs to single wheel and shorted the axle 4 inches to match the rear's 65" width. The rear Dana 70 is out of a 78 Ford tow truck that was a dually. I plan to change the brakes to disc. They're coming out of my CJ7 that I built some years ago. They both already have ARB's and 4.88 R&P, so I'm hopeful that it's not to deep of a gear because I plan to run 39" tires for deep snow, rocks, and sand. They're on a 12" wide rim that I have DIY beadlocks for.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mycj2.jpg


http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Misc20pics200261.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

This is the welder I brought many years ago from Pat at Premire. It has saved me and my friends many many times. It's worth it's weight in gold.:thumbsup:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Misc20pics200291.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

Found a picture of my off-road trailer.:thumbsup:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_105.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_104.jpg
It has a 3500LB axle, 35" tires, air vents, spray lined, and high clearance.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Need to move the van to a garage today for the engine removal.:dancingbanana:

Step two in the swap

[tazdog]

Thanks for bringing this info over here I didn't like going over to the other site to find it.:D

Also can you tell me what all the 4bt came in? I know that they are in chip trucks, but are they in any other self-propelled thing? I have found them in compressors & Gen sets but I don't know if they would work?

Thanks & keep the updates coming

There is a dark side in my future.:D :D

[COLOFIREMAN]

The best ones are the ones that come in the Chip trucks. But like they say on that site, try to contact the fleet manager on-site. :thumbsup:

[Chevelleguy]

Pumps, Gen sets, compressor engines should work, you would just have to get the injection pump set up for automotive use.

[The PIG Smith]

I'm bringng this over from the www.4btswaps.com (http://www.4btswaps.com) page that I belong to.
I am a member there also.
I would also ask that you make some postings over at the http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/ forum also.
It was down for a while and is now back.
The activity is slow, but is building as folks know the site is back and folks start to participate.

[COLOFIREMAN]

I am a member there also.
I would also ask that you make some postings over at the http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/ forum also.
It was down for a while and is now back.
The activity is slow, but is building as folks know the site is back and folks start to participate.

No problem, I'll post it there soon.:thumbsup:

[dusty]

Pumps, Gen sets, compressor engines should work, you would just have to get the injection pump set up for automotive use.


Gen sets and Compressor engines have different govenors as well they typically dont have an AFC air fuel controll system for low boost fueling under load. this system is what compensates with additional fueling to keep the motor running when you let the clutch pout and increase the load against the engine off idle

[Elliott]

Does that van have a hydroboost in it? :D

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Misc20pics200251.jpg

[DieselSJ]

I am a member there also.
I would also ask that you make some postings over at the http://messages.jeep2diesel.org/ forum also.
It was down for a while and is now back.
The activity is slow, but is building as folks know the site is back and folks start to participate.

I'll venture back over there too. Haven't been there in a month or so.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Does that van have a hydroboost in it? :D

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Misc20pics200251.jpg

That's the reason I bought it. I looked on www.dovebid.com (http://www.dovebid.com) for alot of months until the right one came along. I had to go to Chicago to get it but I still have less into it than what one close to me was going for.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Finally found a donor 6BT to take front drive parts off of and a/c mounts. I'll post some pics tonight.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well after a long winter I able to get the van into the garage and work on it. I have the motor out now and here are the pipcs of the 6BT parts I found.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4btswappics3.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4btswappics2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4btswappics1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4btswappics.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BT2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BT1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BT.jpg

[skeletor]

man that garage must be huge to be able to fit a frito lay truck in there. :eek:

[COLOFIREMAN]

man that garage must be huge to be able to fit a frito lay truck in there. :eek:

Yeah it is, I also drive for a local tow company when I'm not working and that's one of the secure holding buildings for fatal wrecks. Since we've had no wrecks lately I was able to use it and stay out of the cold. :D

[Elliott]

Say... what's the lug spacing on those rims, and what year van is that? Those look like they might be a swap for the Jeep dually spit rims. Prolly a metric pattern though...

[COLOFIREMAN]

Say... what's the lug spacing on those rims, and what year van is that? Those look like they might be a swap for the Jeep dually spit rims. Prolly a metric pattern though...

Well the van is a 1994 Ford with 19.5 rims I think. I'll look in the morning and pm you Elliott.:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

These are the motor mounts. I plan to cut them down 3.5" inches and weld them onto the frame of the GW. The best thing about using the factory motor mounts they're made of 1/2 plate steel. With the crossmember that comes with it, should make a strong mount for the motor.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BTmotormounts2.jpg

The mounts are liquid filled to reduce vibration.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BTmotormounts4.jpg

The crossmember.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BTmotormounts3.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BTmotormounts1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BTmotormounts.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

First test fit of motor.



http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4btswappics1-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4btswappics-1.jpg

[Stuka]

Looking good!

Will be interested in what mounts you end up using.

[PlasticBoob]

I'm so jealous!!!!!! :p Wish I had more time. :(

[COLOFIREMAN]

I've been thinking about something, let me know if you all think it's a good idea. I have the 88 GW that I been working on a litlle at a time but I just found a dump bed for an older 1-ton truck that's in great shape. I was thinking of putting the 4BT in the 73 J-4000 and installing the dump on it.....:thumbsup:

What do you think?:D

[COLOFIREMAN]

Changing focus of this thread..... :D

[babywag]

Looks familiar....

http://p4.saignon.net/%7Etony/almost_out.jpg

Chopping up a stepvan was FUN! Good luck with your project!

[COLOFIREMAN]

I found a Flat bed off of a Ford F150. It's 8-foot long 7-foot wide. I plan to go dually on this truck so the width is not a concern for me. The main reason for this swap is rust, a very large hole that was cut in the bed floor by the previous owner, dually axles, and I use the truck every day for plowing. I would like to make the flat bed dump so I could use it that way as well.

EDIT: I changed the name of this thread to explain what the goal of the the project is.

Here's a few pix's of stage one, the flat bed swap....

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Flatbedswap2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Flatbedswap.jpg

The old plow set-up that used for many years..
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_101-1.jpg



http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/flatbed2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/flatbed.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/flatbed3.jpg

[Elliott]

With the narrower frame rails that was set for, if you leave that c-channel on there and just weld new ones on at your frame width... don't forget to notch the inner set for the fitting over the crossmember above the axle. It's a lot easier to do that before you mount the bed. ;) I did it the hard way. If you are going to raise the bed higher than the 4" channel would place it then you may be able to avoid the notching altogether.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Man I had a very hard day on Friday. So I get up early to pull the bed off and what do you know it starts snowing, alot!!!:eek:

I'm using one of the tow trucks to pull the bed off and man was it cold. I was soaked head to toe. So I get the bed off, put the truck away, and walk inside to warm up.........I get called out by the tow company for alot of dumb people driving way to fast for ice covered roadway.

Anyway after a long cold day and night of towing I'm able to set the flat bed on, strap it down, and drive home. So here's some pic's of the first fit.....................:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_087-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_088-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_089-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_090-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_091.jpg


After jacking the rear up to about where I want it to ride. Since I plan to lift the truck I want the flat bed as low to make it easier to use.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_092-1.jpg

I'm going to have to build it up here as well as install a pivot for the bed to dump.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_093.jpg

[BGW]

It's awesome now, but it was so pretty before!

[COLOFIREMAN]

It's awesome now, but it was so pretty before!

Well pictures can be deceiving. The bed had alot of rust. As well as a very large square hole in the floor. I found out later just how much bondo it had in the panels when I dropped the bed on the ground and a large chunk cracked and fell off. I thought of just repairing it or swapping another bed on it but I use it mainly as a work truck so a flat bed, with a little lift crane, and the ability to dump is more of a necessity. But thanks for the :thumbsup:

[Logs0012]

Would be interested in selling me that roll bar and headache rack?

[COLOFIREMAN]

Would be interested in selling me that roll bar and headache rack?

Well I think I'm going to keep it for the 74' J-10 that I have, which where I took it off of. Although if I want to sell it I'll PM you.:thumbsup:

[Logs0012]

Thanks!

[BGW]

Oh, okay. But, boy, I tell you, those pictures made it look like a show truck!

-Peter

[COLOFIREMAN]

Second fitting, looking better but I still have alot of fine tuning to do.:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/flatbed2-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/flatbed-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_113.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_112-1.jpg

[Elliott]

Looking good! Now... 'cause you wanted to see a bunch of dually pics, I have posted a bunch on the new Jeep Dually Registry I'm rebuilding at: http://www.txfsja.org/ I have all the text in for history/tech but need to add some pics to that. All the rigs I have pics on are listed though, with pics. :thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Looking good! Now... 'cause you wanted to see a bunch of dually pics, I have posted a bunch on the new Jeep Dually Registry I'm rebuilding at: http://www.txfsja.org/ I have all the text in for history/tech but need to add some pics to that. All the rigs I have pics on are listed though, with pics. :thumbsup:

Thanks, I'll check it out !!!!

[jaber]

Looking good! Now... 'cause you wanted to see a bunch of dually pics, I have posted a bunch on the new Jeep Dually Registry I'm rebuilding at: http://www.txfsja.org/ I have all the text in for history/tech but need to add some pics to that. All the rigs I have pics on are listed though, with pics. :thumbsup:

Hope you dont mind, but I just added all of the wreckers on the registry to my collection of pics.

THANKS ELLIOT...:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Dana70axle5.jpg

Just look at the gussets on this rear, Yeah baby!!!!

[FSJ Guy]

I hope you can turn decently with that front end. Closed knuckles are not known for their small turning radius. But they will be nice for keeping snow out of the U-joints!

[Gambler68]

Looking goooooooood!!

So..whatcha gana do with the pulled front and rear? I am looking for a centered rear for my J3000.. :D

[COLOFIREMAN]

I hope you can turn decently with that front end. Closed knuckles are not known for their small turning radius. But they will be nice for keeping snow out of the U-joints!

I've heard that as well. If that becomes as big a deal as I think it may be I will just have to mount the plow under the Cherokee since it'll have the narrowed open knuckle Dana 60 under it.:thumbsup:

Looking goooooooood!!

So..whatcha gana do with the pulled front and rear? I am looking for a centered rear for my J3000.. :D


Well I just might have to PM you when I get it out from under the truck....:thumbsup:

[fulsizjeep]

Flatbed that big Beef. :thumbsup: Are those stock axles on it now Jason? I am confused, I thought they were upgraded already.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Flatbed that big Beef. :thumbsup: Are those stock axles on it now Jason? I am confused, I thought they were upgraded already.

They were, I swapped the rear out to a later model Dana 60 and the front is a Chevy D44HD. I just need to have a heavier front axle to carry this big thing.....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/snowplow3-1.jpg


:thumbsup:

[fulsizjeep]

BEEFY :thumbsup:

[Gambler68]

They were, I swapped the rear out to a later model Dana 60 and the front is a Chevy D44HD.


:thumbsup:

yes. Put me down for the rear at best, maybe the front too. No rush :thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well after a very long 7- hours on the road and meeting a very cool guy on the way, Chuckchile, I picked up the Hellcreek springs he was selling. Next stop the Red 73'. Though I will not be able to use the rear springs unless I find a Van Dually rear end I will use the fronts. These and the Dana 70 front will be going on next week!!! I will follow up with pictures as it goes.:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/hellcreeksprings2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/hellcreeksprings.jpg
:thumbsup:

[Elliott]

Van axles are easy to find around here. The truck D70 wasn't wide enough for you?

[COLOFIREMAN]

Van axles are easy to find around here. The truck D70 wasn't wide enough for you?

No the Dana 70 that I took out of that W300 is 2-inches too narrow. But I may have a line on an old broken down church van that they want hauled away. I looked it has a Dana 70 under it.:thumbsup:

[Elliott]

If for some reason you get hard up for an axle I have a E350 D70 U here with a blown pinion bearing I'd sell cheap but then getting it to you would likely be Forward Air unless you know someone out this way. IIRC, and it's been awhile now... the ring gear was undamaged.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well like a kid with a new toy I couldn't wait to start the install. Last night when I was finished with dinner I got a wild hair up you know where:eek: and...............well the rest you know.:rolleyes: :D

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/liftinstall2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/liftinstall3.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/liftinstall4.jpg

Everything was going great until I tried to pull the spring off of the pin...it's stuck. Guess only having to use heat on one bolt is a good thing. But just as I hooked up the gas bottles, the heavens opened up and the Shade-tree garage was closed for the night, man I can't wait till I have a bigger garage!!!:thumbsup:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/liftinstall.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well I have one side on, man I gained alot of lift!!!!!!! I guess I never realized how much my front springs had sagged over time with the plow.:rolleyes: :D Anyway here's some pictures of how a J-truck should have come from Jeep!!:thumbsup:

Just for comparisen


BEFORE
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_087-1.jpg

AFTER!!!
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck1-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck2.jpg


I like it!!!!

[Elliott]

That bed worked out real nice for you! :cool:

[COLOFIREMAN]

That bed worked out real nice for you! :cool:

Ya, but I am still trying to decide if I want it to dump. I love the height of the truck now. Funny thing is it as tall as the Ford High boy next door, and it's stock, and I now have 7-inches of lift to get there:rolleyes: :D !!!

[Elliott]

Well, Jeep actually built them low on purpose. After you try and swing a few Dana 60's or 14 bolts up onto that bed you will soon see why. I'm thinking my dually is going to be a lot higher than I wanted... at least for a parts hauler, as a winch truck I think it will be fine.

[chuckchili]

Its a Monster truck! Looks good! :thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Just another picture of the truck. I really love the way this thing rides now. Before it would loosen your fillings and require the need for a kidney belt. :thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck-2.jpg

[Logs0012]

Riding a lot smoother now?

[bigun]

Nice

[COLOFIREMAN]

Riding a lot smoother now?

Yes, alot. But you have to understand I had a 8.5 foot plow hanging off the front end with too sets of helper springs to keep the front up. I'll snap a picture of the set I removed from it, you'll laugh!!;) :D

[Gambler68]

Looks great Jason! Now all ya need is a slew of lights on that thing! I don't think I've seen a better FSJ Extraction truck yet!


we get a discount, right? right?:thumbsup:

[Logs0012]

what size tires are on there?

[jepj2000]

The Jtruck looks great:thumbsup:!

I'm so confused on the Hell Creek springs and what kind of hight gains are actually accomplished with them:banghead:. Between members on here that have posted pics and JP Mag, I can't tell if I run a set of front 4" springs on my J2000 if they will dwarf my 7.50-16s and sit way nose up with my flipped shackle or not. I'm looking for a stance very similar to what Thom has (KaiserMan). Any advice?

P.S. sorry for the kinda highjack.

Thanks,
Rankin

[AlsChopShop]

nice work! i'm actually surprised how 'at home' that flatbed looks.

:thumbsup:

Al

[COLOFIREMAN]

Looks great Jason! Now all ya need is a slew of lights on that thing! I don't think I've seen a better FSJ Extraction truck yet!

You read my mind!!!;) :thumbsup:

what size tires are on there?

My 255x85x16, 32.5" tall, swamper tires are mounted on a 16x8 rim with 3.75 offset.



The Jtruck looks great:thumbsup:!

I'm so confused on the Hell Creek springs and what kind of hight gains are actually accomplished with them:banghead:. Between members on here that have posted pics and JP Mag, I can't tell if I run a set of front 4" springs on my J2000 if they will dwarf my 7.50-16s and sit way nose up with my flipped shackle or not. I'm looking for a stance very similar to what Thom has (KaiserMan). Any advice?

P.S. sorry for the kinda highjack.

Thanks,
Rankin


No worries on the hyjack. 7.50 16's are a 31-32 inch tire. You have to remember that when any spring manufacture states the spring they offer is a "4-inch lift" they mean from "stock". Most any vehicle doesn't ride at stock height so even a no lift replacement spring will give you lift. I think 7.50x16 are a great size with the Hellcreek 4-inch and no body lift. It was always my intention to install 36's OE Buckshots, or 9.50x16 Grip Spur's. Both are tall and skinny which will work great on a dually setup. Go with the 4-inch, you won't be disappointed.:thumbsup:

[bowtieman55]

looks really good, Jason. I'm a big fan of flat bed J-trucks. :thumbsup:

[The PIG Smith]

Where's the beef????? Here's the beef!!!!!!!!

In the form of 69 Dodge W300 front and rear DANA 70'S!!!

[picture removed]

The pictures don't do this axle justice, so I put a 1/2 Ford 9-inch in the picture.

[picture removed]

Then the axle tubes are monsterous!!!:eek: That's my size 10 work boot on it for conparison.:thumbsup:

[picture removed]

Just look at the gussets on this rear, Yeah baby!!!!

Here is some disc brakes for those front Dana 70 axles.
I had this bookmarked when I was looking at a set of Dana 70 axles from a W300 Dodge Ambulance.
http://www.uglytruckling.com/Sweptline%20W%20Series%20Trucks/Sweptline%20W300%20Front%20Brake%20Manual1.htm

http://www.uglytruckling.com/Sweptline%20W%20Series%20Trucks/Sweptline%20W300%20Front%20Brake%20files/M715%20FDB%20kit%20W.jpg

Lots of folks here and on the Great Lakes 4X4 forum poo-pooed the idea of using monster axles like these.
I was told all kinds of silliness, like these era Dana 70 are weaker than a Dana 44.
I say you got them...run them!
Let the naysayers know how well they work! HAHAHAHA!!

[COLOFIREMAN]

Lots of folks here and on the Great Lakes 4X4 forum poo-pooed the idea of using monster axles like these.
I was told all kinds of silliness, like these era Dana 70 are weaker than a Dana 44.
I say you got them...run them!
Let the naysayers know how well they work! HAHAHAHA!!

I agree a little with them only of the fact the metal used in the axle shafts back in the day is not as strong as current ones. Although I do remember a M715 with 44" Boggers that did very well in the Top Truck Challange about 10-years ago.

http://playingwithconsciousness.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/611.jpg

EDIT: Here's the link to the 1997 TTC it was in........
http://www.4x4now.com/trcatt.htm

[COLOFIREMAN]

Pulled the D70 front out of the weeds the other day to start the measuring and mock-up phase of this build. I'm having a custom high steer arm made since the D70 trunnion bearing cap is much bigger than the commonly made Dana 60 arms. The great thing about these D70 is the tie rod is behind the axle so i won't hit rocks with it. Here's just a few picture I snapped.........

This axle it 4-inches wider than the Dana 44HD that I have under there.....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Wherethebeef.jpg


If you can see the Dana 44 in the background it'll give you a idea how much bigger this axle is. I wanted to wait to install it because I wanted to lift it first. I just noticed something I didn't count on....because of the axle houing tube size, I'm going to get an additional 1 inch of lift!!:eek: :D
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Wherethebeef4.jpg



Since I'm going to leave the trucks springs in the OE spot I'll have to make one new U-bolt plate and weld up some spring pads. The one on the passengers side is going to be the trick with half of it on the housing.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Wherethebeef2.jpg


This side is going to be very straight forward.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Wherethebeef3.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

Here's the plow I'm using on this truck. It's a BOSS 8.5' Vee Blade. It's VERY HEAVY, hence the big front axle I'm installing to hold the weight.:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/snowplow5-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/snowplow2-1.jpg

[COLOFIREMAN]

And here's the 4BT Cummins I have to install before the first snow falls!!

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/4BT1.jpg


:thumbsup:

[red mistress]

I'm tuned in...can't wait to see it plowing with 36" "Q" Buckshots with chains one em.

Maybe a big load of sand on flatbed.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Here are the rims I found for the truck. I've never seen this type of steel chrome dually rims before. They should clean up nicely with some steel wool and polish. Not bad for $125.00 for all 6 with tires! :thumbsup:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/0707091940.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/0707091937.jpg

I also found the axle I need to be able to keep the rear springs on the on the outside of the frame. The same guy had it too. It measures out between the backing plates at 58 inches, so it will leave me 2-inches of room on both sides of the spring packs.

[KaiserMan]

Looking pretty good there. I can't wait to see that D70 under your rig. I always wanted one under mine, but fell into my D60 front for only $200 so...

Might want to take a look under my install thread of the 60, I had to deal with the perch being almost on the old perch, u bolts etc. Also shows what I did for shocks (F250 mounts).

[Elliott]

I also found the axle I need to be able to keep the rear springs on the on the outside of the frame. The same guy had it too. It measures out between the backing plates at 58 inches, so it will leave me 2-inches of room on both sides of the spring packs.


What the hay? I have the D70 HD and it only has 55" between the closests parts of the backing plates and it's at 74" WMS... what did you dig up there... a motor home D80?

[KaiserMan]

what did you dig up there... a motor home D80?

I'm voting a Dana 120:D

[COLOFIREMAN]

What the hay? I have the D70 HD and it only has 55" between the closests parts of the backing plates and it's at 74" WMS... what did you dig up there... a motor home D80?

No it's a Dana 70HD out of a Motorhome with a P30 Chassis. A friend that's using my Dodge and car trailer to haul his stuff to Salida from somewhere in MN is coming through Denver and is going to pick it up in the morning. I'll post a few pictures when it gets here.

Never thought of the Dana 120, maybe I should google it a little....:D

[COLOFIREMAN]

Maybe a big load of sand on flatbed.


Me too!! It the only way I'm going to be able to get the rear to dig with duals.:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Might want to take a look under my install thread of the 60, I had to deal with the perch being almost on the old perch, u bolts etc. Also shows what I did for shocks (F250 mounts).

Could you link it, searching did not find it.....:D

[Elliott]

No it's a Dana 70HD out of a Motorhome with a P30 Chassis.

So, is the WMS 77"?

[COLOFIREMAN]

So, is the WMS 77"?


I'll measure it myself when it gets here today. When I talked to the guy and explained how I needed it measured, that was the measurement he gave. So he could've done it wrong.:rolleyes: :D

[COLOFIREMAN]

Ok, I have the axle now. After measuring it correctly it only has a 56" space between the backing plates. I think I'm going to have to still put the spings under the frame. Mainly to make room for the snow chains.

Also he brought the new dually rims. After a little elbow grease and polish here's one of them. I'm still going to have to use steel wool to get all the rust spots off, but al least the chrome is in good shape!!:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyrims1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyrims.jpg

[Elliott]

Dang nice rims! :thumbsup: Your right on the backing plates, if you have your spring plates up top they would hit/be too close to the backing plates when installed. This is going to give you ~6+ inches of lift though, unless you SUA that axle. My bed is pretty high off the ground, but I do have lots of room for taller tires.

[fulsizjeep]

going big time! cool :cool:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Dang nice rims! :thumbsup: Your right on the backing plates, if you have your spring plates up top they would hit/be too close to the backing plates when installed. This is going to give you ~6+ inches of lift though, unless you SUA that axle. My bed is pretty high off the ground, but I do have lots of room for taller tires.


I thought about that, but I have a set of flat Heavy Duty Springs from a Dodge 3500 Van. Hopefully they won't give me too much height.:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

After cleaning up one of the rears I just had to mock it up to see what it looks like......I LIKE IT !!!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyJ-truck.jpg

I love what steel wool, Mothers polish, and a drill with a polishing wheel can do!!!!!

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyJ-truck1.jpg

[brubakes]

Heck of a build! :thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Heck of a build! :thumbsup:

Thank and congrats on your new buy.....http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/customavatars/avatar22000_3.gif

[83 BEAST]

looking really good so far! can't wait to see the pics of it all done.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well since it's been 10-months since my last post I' though I would update you all. The Cummins is going into the 73' J4800. I'll post up pictures when I get to that part here's the build so far.....http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=101438:thumbsup:

[Logs0012]

Jason aren't the dual wheels supposed to go on the back, not the front. Lol

great project, you are giving me bad ideas. Stupid high schoolers budget. :grumble:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Jason aren't the dual wheels supposed to go on the back, not the front.


Yesssss, :rolleyes:




I need to get the hub centers enlarged to fit over the hub centers of the front and rear ends.:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Here's some mock-up pictures of the new D70HD rear axle that I found for $50.00 on craigslist Denver??!!! It has 4:10's and a open carrier. Gears look good and the pinion has no slop.:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyrear.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyrear3.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyrear4.jpg


Looks like I'm going to have to widen the flat bed a little. Works for me anyway because I wanted to hide the stake holes for a cleaner bed surface.:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyrear2.jpg

[Logs0012]

Looks GREAT!!!

Next time I'm out in CO I might come bug you for a ride.:D

[COLOFIREMAN]

Looks GREAT!!!

Next time I'm out in CO I might come bug you for a ride.:D

Anytime!!:thumbsup: :cool:

[Gambler68]

You should sell me your dinky old D60 for $50! You'd be even steven then! :thumbsup:

Is that little 4bt really going to move that beast?

[COLOFIREMAN]

You should sell me your dinky old D60 for $50! You'd be even steven then! :thumbsup:

Is that little 4bt really going to move that beast?

Hey Hans and Frauns said it best....:thumbsup:
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p107/onehotcpa/untitled.jpg

I hope so, the dang cummins weighs 836 dry by it's self?????:eek: :D

[COLOFIREMAN]

TIME FOR A UPDATE!!!1

Well I was able to work on the old girl a little and it started with the back axle.:thumbsup:


I removed the flat bed, rear axle, springs, and fuel tank. Then mocked everything up....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_311.jpg

By mounting the springs on the outside the frame I going to be able to gain clearance for the chains, since this is going to be a snow fighter!!
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_312.jpg

The 89 B350 one ton van springs are 2 inches shorter and may not look like enough of a rate but I had always planned to use air bags on the rear when I'm carrying heavy, I.E. dirt, sand, or the "other" tool that I'll post of teaser pic's of soon.;)
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_313.jpg

I love the way this thing is looking with the duals poking out back!!!:dancingbanana:
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_314.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/IMAGE_315.jpg

[Elliott]

Yes, that does look great!

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well I promised some pictures of the "other tool" I have planning for some time. I finally was able to do a little horse trading for a 68HP 3CYL John Deere diesel motor with a air compressor set up mounted to it. The plan is simple, change the air compressor to a high flow hydraulic pump to run a truck mounted snow blower. Mostly for the driveways that cannot be plowed in, only blown. Just like this guy......
VIDEO 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g01tX4WZhI)
VIDEO 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxuBOujR4h0)

but my favorite is this one, talk about a guy that looked at something and said, "Yeah I can make that!!!" :thumbsup:
VIDEO 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZmOkibH6Q&feature=related)

and here's my new "tool"......the power pack.:thumbsup:

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/powerpack4.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/powerpack3.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/powerpack.jpg

[Gambler68]

I think you've earned a larger man-card! awesome stuff going on there?

[COLOFIREMAN]

I think you've earned a larger man-card! awesome stuff going on there?


http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/welcome-2.gif

but it seems like I'm doing a lot of this http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/spend.gif lately.....

[jaber]

So whats your progress on this???

You still workin on it?

[ColeTrickle]

Awesome build. Dunno why I haven't seen this!

Will be looking forward to more pics!:drivin:

[fulsizjeep]

Jason in the Mountains must be out on a walk about. Haven't seen him post much lately.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Well I've had a lot of life changing things happens in the last 3-4 months. Mostly problems with the money but the other was I had to move my projects off of my house property in the city due to a "AH" that moved in two houses down. Since I work for the city this "kind gentleman" began to complain to my boss and well the rest is history. Kinda gave up on the projects for a while but I have made a little progress with this one. I'll snap a few pictures and let you guys know where I am, I think you guys will like the new direction of it.:cool:

[jaber]

:worthless:

[COLOFIREMAN]

:worthless:


OK OK where do I start.........

I left you guys/gals when I had just cut the rear end out of my truck. After some thinking, ALOT of thinking, I made the choice to use the springs and hangers off of the back of a 79 Dodge 3/4 ton that was abandoned here in town which I had to drag to the yard while working for the tow company. The truck was missing the bed so I begin looking and measuring the springs during a slow day at the tow house. The length, height, and way the springs mounted to the frame appeared to be very similar to my J4800 springs. So out came the blow torch and away went the rivets. Then I went to work on the rivets and spring pins on the frame of my J-truck. I for one can attest to how well those things are attached!!! After killing my Craftsman drill while drilling out 16-3/8 and then enlarging all 16 to 1/2 holes, they mounted up like they were made for it.
Here's a few pictures......
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck3.jpg

Since I have Hell Creek springs on the front they raise the back with the stock "rake" to allow me to install overloads that will only contact and increase spring rate once a load is in the bed. The main reason I changed over to the Dodge springs is parts availability and the rear Hell Creeks that I bought from another member here were too short. I also couldn't find a bushing for the J4800 springs, the big pins were very worn from a prior bad bushing, and the fact that one or more of the leafs were broken. But all and all I like the way it turned out. Funny thing is one of the Jeep factory rivet holes on the front mounts worked out perfectly for the new mounts and I used them as a gauge to measure from. I mounted the Dodge spring hangers to the Jeep frame using 1/2 grade 8 bolts. The best part about this conversion is the dodge hangers put the rear springs the same distance from the frame as the Jeep ones. I could've used the stock axle and u-bolts but I wanted a much stronger one. I mounted the Dually Dana 70 HD with 4:10's in the back and I had to custom machine the spring plates to fit both the larger U-bolts and much larger rear end tube circumference.

After that was done a guy stopped buy the house and offered me "the right" price for the flat bed that I just bought for the J-truck. So I needed to change a few things about this build. I needed some weight on the rear axle and I carry alot of tools, chains, welding bottles, etc..etc..etc, I remembered this picture a couple of months ago......So I went on a mission........ http://i26.tinypic.com/w71w7p.jpg

I found a guy here in the valley that was selling this one for a very good price......
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Boxbed2.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Boxbed.jpg

I dragged it home and used the tow truck to load it on the back of the truck, man that thing was heavy.:eek:

And here it is up to this point........

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck2-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck-1.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck5.jpg

As one can see I will have to clearance the rear box 3X5X5 to make room for the rear spring movement. Also the reason for the box being so high is due to the fact that the truck has a 3-inch body lift on it. I'm going to have to build a superstructure in the front and rear to mount the box solid.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck4.jpg

At this point I still need to clearance the rear box to allow me to move it forward, build the front superstructure to hard mount the box, mount the lift gate that I bought from another member here....

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac140/austin4x443/P9060006.jpg

[fulsizjeep]

Good to see you are still at the project Jason. Sometimes they do take twisty, curvy turns.

[2ToneBluJ10]

COLOFIREMAN

Here are some links to higher resolution (1600x1200) pics of the Blue J20 with the utility box on it from this past All Breeds Jeep Show in York PA.

http://i47.tinypic.com/14lpix1.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/20rpsgn.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ngaduf.jpg

I remember Geeep saying you were really interested in it.
Owners name was Glenn Myers, as I remember he said the box came off a chevy and that he had to do alot of fitting to get it installed and look decent.

[Elliott]

Nice to see some progress. Are you in need of the base mount Ramsey roller fairlead for that winch? There is a guy on ebay who sells a repro mount for the wide drum... ~$159.

[jaber]

Jason,

Your truck is coming along very nicely.:thumbsup:
I should have mine up and going in the next couple of weeks.
I better, I just got plates and tags last Friday. Historic plates...:thumbsup:

[anst2184]

I thought the truck looked good to start with, but now that's it's getting closer to done it looks even better. Very dedicated to getting this truck finished, better man than me.

[Mr Haney]

very, very nice!

[COLOFIREMAN]

Thanks all. In 2-weeks I'm taking the bed off to plate the lower part of the doors, cut larger rear wheel wells, mount J-truck flairs on it for a OEM look, and have it color matched to the truck. Yes I'll post some pic when it's mounted back on the truck. Know another funny thing that's happened since I temporarily mounted the box on the bed?? I've had several contractors stop to check it out and ask if it's for sale!!:eek: When I mount the 4BT in it they'll really want then!!!:thumbsup:

[jaber]

Know another funny thing that's happened since I temporarily mounted the box on the bed?? I've had several contractors stop to check it out and ask if it's for sale!!:eek: When I mount the 4BT in it they'll really want then!!!:thumbsup:

I do remodeling and mobile mechanicing, The utility bed I have is a plumber box, very short and shallow. I can not even put a worm drive saw into the box. I'm hoping to find a larger box like yours.

Thanks for the pics, I have a better idea what it'll look like.

Nice work, Jason... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[bertjeep]

There's nothing wrong with D70 front axles. They might be thinking of the weak D60's that are in the M715. But then alot of people think if its not an open knucle axle its weak.

Tom


Here is some disc brakes for those front Dana 70 axles.
I had this bookmarked when I was looking at a set of Dana 70 axles from a W300 Dodge Ambulance.
http://www.uglytruckling.com/Sweptline%20W%20Series%20Trucks/Sweptline%20W300%20Front%20Brake%20Manual1.htm

http://www.uglytruckling.com/Sweptline%20W%20Series%20Trucks/Sweptline%20W300%20Front%20Brake%20files/M715%20FDB%20kit%20W.jpg

Lots of folks here and on the Great Lakes 4X4 forum poo-pooed the idea of using monster axles like these.
I was told all kinds of silliness, like these era Dana 70 are weaker than a Dana 44.
I say you got them...run them!
Let the naysayers know how well they work! HAHAHAHA!!

[COLOFIREMAN]

Ohh I know how strong a D70 front is, we have one on the two the old Dodge brush trucks we have here have that same axle under both of them. A lot of weight on these old trucks. I plan to use the axle as is for now though depending on how it brakes I may have to change it over to disc in the front.:thumbsup:

[bertjeep]

I hear you on that. I just scored a pair of dana 70's from a Dodge truck for $400 bucks. I plan to use them in my M715.:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

I hear you on that. I just scored a pair of dana 70's from a Dodge truck for $400 bucks. I plan to use them in my M715.:thumbsup:

If those are the Huge knuckle Dana 70 that came on the service Dodge trucks like the one that fire deptments bought, you hit a home run!!:thumbsup:

[bertjeep]

If those are the Huge knuckle Dana 70 that came on the service Dodge trucks like the one that fire deptments bought, you hit a home run!!:thumbsup:

I think it's the same axle that you are putting in your truck.They have 4.88 gears and the rear has a power-loc. I'm going to swap the power-loc to the front and put a locker in the rear.I'm also going to use the outer knucles and steering arms off my M715. That will give me high steering arms.

Tom

[COLOFIREMAN]

So an update......

As we FSJers are, I found a new direction with this project, mostly with the bed....... As I said before I loved the way this one looked....
http://i26.tinypic.com/w71w7p.jpg
....but I also loved the look and function of this one.....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/NYDuallyDump1.jpg


So as it was a local tractor shop needed to build a service truck. They offered to buy the service bed I had. Before I agreed I started looking for another one that would fit a dually.
During a search on-line I came across this.....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/100_2621.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/100_2620.jpg

....now after a 7 hour turn around today from Delta and $800.00 cash, I have a running driving 73' Dodge dually with a working dump bed. So the plan is pull the dump bed off and place it on the 73' J4800. Bolt on the duals, mount the Vee plow, and have some fun this winter!!!!

[Elliott]

Good score!

[red mistress]

I like the dump much better than flatbed.

This is going to be a mucho macho truck! :D

[Austin 4x4]

that is going to be supper cool. nothing says beef like a dump bed!

[COLOFIREMAN]

Thank all.

Here's my focus vehicle. I know it's a Ford but I used it was a test to see if the bed would look with a two tone truck. I could've painted it match but I don't think it would've looked right. I plan to paint the bed black just like this one, I photoshoped the red on it.....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/Plow-Dumptruck-Copy.jpg
I always like the contrast between my two tone truck, black bumpers, black flairs, and black work bed in this picture......
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/mytruck-2.jpg

I know it's going to be a work truck but I wanted both a clean lined, well put together looking truck. I plan to re-undercoat the flares and re-paint the front bumper black at the same time as the dump bed. What do ya all think?

Really I would like to know

[COLOFIREMAN]

Bump to the top for a title change, Thanks CrazyJeeper:thumbsup:

Anyone that has subscribed must do so again due to the title change.....Sorry.

[COLOFIREMAN]

After measuring the dump bed is only 4" longer than the service box at 102" but it's almost a foot wider at 90". This should provide plenty of tire coverage. The frame of the dump box measures 38" wide by 90" long. With the J-trucks frames almost 10" wider I'm going to have to do something like Elliot did when he had to widen the framework of the flat bed be found.:thumbsup:

[Tigger4X]

Bump to the top for a title change, Thanks CrazyJeeper:thumbsup:

Anyone that has subscribed must do so again due to the title change.....Sorry.


Its a great build so we wont give you too much grief over it. :p

[AMC-J/20]

Ok so how has this project Dually diesel dump truck, or which ever it is now . . . coming along ?

Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

Ok so how has this project Dually diesel dump truck, or which ever it is now . . . coming along ?

Mike

Going to pull the dump bed off the Dodge this week sometime and get it sand blasted. That's step one.

[AMC-J/20]

:D Very cool so the plan is going to be a dump truck ?
still going DRW ? :thumbsup:

Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

Using these wheels.......
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyJ-truck.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/duallyJ-truck1.jpg

.......and buying two more 255/85/16 Swamper MT's like these...
http://de.4x4-garage.com/images/trexus_mud_terrain.jpg

Since I have four on the truck already.:thumbsup:

[AMC-J/20]

:D Very nice, DRW's Mudder's FS-J truck :thumbsup:
i want one so i'll prolly never get to own one :(

Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

So now that I have this Chevy Dana 60 dually axle that I found for $50.00 dollars.....
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/008.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/005.jpg

....I plan to use it under the front now.:thumbsup:

[COLOFIREMAN]

Just wanted to post another picture of a Chevy that looks just like what I'm shooting for with this build....

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/DuallyChevyplowtruck.jpg

I also found a guy in Buena Vista that can sandblast the dump bed for me. I'm going to try to pull the bed next week and send it up to him.

[The PIG Smith]

So now that I have this Chevy Dana 60 dually axle that I found for $50.00 dollars.....
OH WOW! You scored BIG TIME!
Those axles around here fetch close to $1000! :eek:

[COLOFIREMAN]

OH WOW! You scored BIG TIME!
Those axles around here fetch close to $1000! :eek:


Yep, I really lucked out the other day when I found it. It came with a matching 14bolt, but it'as so narrow that I won't be able to use it on anything I have. :thumbsup:

[AMC-J/20]

If your truck is going to sit that high you better be thinking about ditching the 16's and going over to 19.5's for safety sake . . . Truck will be more stable, handle better, and you'll get better tread wear too . . .


Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

If your truck is going to sit that high you better be thinking about ditching the 16's and going over to 19.5's for safety sake . . . Truck will be more stable, handle better, and you'll get better tread wear too . . .


Mike


I've thought of that and have already bought a set of 19.5 8 lug bread van rims just in case. I will probably use the 19.5's during the non-plowing season because the 16's with the 255's will grip better on the ice and snow.:cool:

[AMC-J/20]

when them 255's wear out these 19.5's might just grip better then the bread truck tires . . .

Radial traction 19.5's :thumbsup::
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/HURSTSSAMX69/Tires/th_225R195.jpg (http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/HURSTSSAMX69/Tires/?action=view&current=225R195.jpg)http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/HURSTSSAMX69/Tires/th_225-245R195.jpg (http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn232/HURSTSSAMX69/Tires/?action=view&current=225-245R195.jpg)

First tire only lasts about 60K miles second tire lasts about 75K miles

Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

First tire only lasts about 60K miles second tire lasts about 75K miles

Mike


The first ones are the Treadwrites, correct? I've thought of those if I do it, mostly due to the price!! They are about to produce 315/70/17's on a BFG casing and the old MTR tread design!! Under $150...I'll take them for my Dodge Diesel!!

[AMC-J/20]

Yep 225/70R19.5F for $110 :thumbsup: Ain't NO tire shop beating that price ;)

I have a set of 235/75r15's on my MJ in the same tread as the 19.5's i love them . . .

Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

We had a beautiful day here and I was able to work on her a bit. Sorry about the pictures but my Blackberry is on it last leg since I dropped it in water.

I started by measuring and cutting the dump bed off the Dodge.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/IMG00041-20101020-1643.jpg

Since the Dodge came with some very good condition 235/85/16's mounted on period split rims. I plan to use the chrome outers but for now I'm running these until my friends machine shop can get around to enlarging the Ford centers to fit the Dodge axle I'm using. I may use 19.5's in the future but for now I have these and will run them for a year or more.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/IMG00039-20101020-1642.jpg

I not sure if I said this before but I plan to run two tanks. The rear tank is out of a 1985 fuel tank. I believe its 35-38 gallons.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/COLOJEEPGUY2K/Emotions/CJ2K%20links/IFSJA%20ORG/IMG00040-20101020-1643.jpg

[Ugly Truck Nut]

Nice :thumbsup:, I personally like the utility bed.

[AMC-J/20]

:D You know the best part of this project is your cutting up a dodge :thumbsup:

:D The FSJ died to save the Ram, now a RAM dies to keep an FSJ living :thumbsup:

:cool:This my friends is poetic justice at work ;)


Mike

[COLOFIREMAN]

:D You know the best part of this project is your cutting up a dodge :thumbsup:

:D The FSJ died to save the Ram, now a RAM dies to keep an FSJ living :thumbsup:

:cool:This my friends is poetic justice at work ;)


Mike


i never thought of it that way. :thumbsup:

[AMC-J/20]

:D i bet you will now :thumbsup:


Mike

[HerrKooled]

Any updates?

[jaber]

Come on Jason, what have you been doin????

[COLOFIREMAN]

Hey all....nothing doing on this. Life decided to throw a few more life changes at me so every thing went on the back burner till life calms down a bit.:thumbsup:

[amcpsycho2]

Hey Jason,take care of yourself,smooth out the wrinkles in life,your Jeep will be waiting when you're ready.

[COLOFIREMAN]

Hey Jason,take care of yourself,smooth out the wrinkles in life,your Jeep will be waiting when you're ready.


Yep at least the I'll have a lot more time to work on her and the GW!;) :rolleyes: :D

[AMC-J/20]

When life gets you down, look at the old Jeep and smile . . . Its a fine steed !

Mike

[grand_wag_85]

You're still not done with that thing yet? :p

[COLOFIREMAN]

You're still not done with that thing yet? :p


No comments from the cheap seats!!

[jaber]

Well, you at least have progress pics dont you....:rolleyes:

[AMC-J/20]

Such a nice Jeep !

Mike

[trailscape]

All you need now is a 6x6 conversion. :D