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Dmntxn77
01-30-2006, 10:56 AM
I just got some Warn Premimum Hubs that are the internal mounted style. I had planned to put these on my J20 HD44. I didnt do any research first, and I am not sure how to install them. Did I get the wrong ones? Do I have to have the external mounted ones for this axle?

Chevelleguy
01-30-2006, 11:49 AM
The Dana 44 takes the standard 1/2 ton hub. The outer cap uses 6 very small allen screws to hold it to the inner mechanism, which mounts inside your hub and is held in place with a large snap ring. Unless you have a HD 44, 8 lug, which uses a different one.

Crazy_Jeepman
01-30-2006, 11:59 AM
HD44 and regular D44 use the same Hub, no differance. Slide the hub in, put the large snap ring in to hold it in place, small axle snap ring on, then put the locking cap on with the allen screws. Piece of cake ;)

Chevelleguy
01-30-2006, 12:02 PM
Are you sure? I have an 8 lug hub that has 6 studs threaded into the end where the manual hubs bolt on.

Crazy_Jeepman
01-30-2006, 12:04 PM
I am unlclear as to what it is you have. However I have swapped many sets of hubs back and forth. GM and JEEP 1/2 ton 3/4 ton around for years.

Chevelleguy
01-30-2006, 12:07 PM
I'm not sure either but was told they came off a HD44. A friend got them at the junk yard just for the rotors to use on his 14 bolt rear. Some how they ended up in my parts bin. Maybe off a Ford?

Crazy_Jeepman
01-30-2006, 12:10 PM
Most all D44 and D44HD of any make use Warn Part# 20990. There are some different makes of Hubs that may look different, but the fact is they will all interchange. with the exception of internal style vs external style.

Dmntxn77
01-30-2006, 01:00 PM
Ok thanks... I guess I was just making it hard... So, I dont need the "conversion kit"? Is that for different axles or something?

J20 project
01-30-2006, 01:55 PM
Wait, hold up there DmnTxn, There are two style of hubs...I have a 76, originally QT truck w/ the stud version hubs. I had to purchase the Ford/Jeep 3/4 ton style premium hub for mine. It is not the 1/2 ton chev style. I think they are warn #9074(emphasis on the think). I also have a 77 Dana 20 style J20 style truck which take the Chev 12 ton style. There may be a conversion out there but I'm not sure you would want it as anything more would stick it out further.
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Crazy_Jeepman
01-30-2006, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by J20 project:
Wait, hold up there DmnTxn, There are two style of hubs...I have a 76, originally QT truck w/ the stud version hubs. I had to purchase the Ford/Jeep 3/4 ton style premium hub for mine. It is not the 1/2 ton chev style. I think they are warn #9074(emphasis on the think). I also have a 77 Dana 20 style J20 style truck which take the Chev 12 ton style. There may be a conversion out there but I'm not sure you would want it as anything more would stick it out further.
J20 projectSure would like to figure out what it is you guys have. It seems real odd, since the Jeep Wheel Hub is GM. I have converted quite a few Q-Track D44's to Lockouts and never had any problems.

J20 project
01-30-2006, 02:22 PM
I've got one CJ, Stock 76 J20 w/ QT. Obviously I converted to D20 and T18 but they are the studded old version hub, just have 19 splines(pretty sure) which matches up to the Ford version built in the 70's also. What really sucks is that they are about $40-50 bucks more than the other ones. Come in around 110-130 depending where you buy.
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jpcoutts
01-30-2006, 02:29 PM
Could you possibly have an older drum brake axle? I think that only the older drum brake axles used external lockout hubs. Maybe a pic would help. IIRC the hub and rotor assembly on the HD D44 is not the same as the regular D44. The HD D44 has a larger diameter center section. I don't believe the Lockout hub assembly from Warn or anybody else would interchange between the two.

[ January 30, 2006, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: jpcoutts ]

J20 project
01-30-2006, 02:54 PM
Just for clarification...I have two J20's. The 76 is a 44HD disc braked, external, stud hub. takes the 19spline, 3/4ton ford/jeep hub. Warn hub #9072(I looked it up). Also used on some Chev's.
I have a 77 J20(soon to be grimgaunts')44HD, disc braked, internal, chev/jeep 1/2 ton style hub.
The 76 was originally a QT truck, and the 77 was/is a T18/D20 truck. Warn part #20990.
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Crazy_Jeepman
01-30-2006, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by J20 project:
Just for clarification...I have two J20's. The 76 is a 44HD disc braked, external, stud hub. takes the 19spline, 3/4ton ford/jeep hub. Warn hub #9072(I looked it up). Also used on some Chev's.
I have a 77 J20(soon to be grimgaunts')44HD, disc braked, internal, chev/jeep 1/2 ton style hub.
The 76 was originally a QT truck, and the 77 was/is a T18/D20 truck. Warn part #20990.
J20 projectOh OK yea that makes sense now. Thats what I had said earlier all the HD44 and D44 use the same hub........."with the exception of internal style vs external style"

J20 project
01-30-2006, 03:36 PM
Yea CJ, I never really have figured out what the determining factor was on how the 76 got that style hub. Maybe year and model or the fact that it was a QT truck?? Actually kind of nice in that I have the old drive flanges behind the seat while I'm 150 miles from home wheeling the he&^ out of it to go get someones' downed elk. I seem to have the annointed elk recovery unit for our camp. Hmm, maybe I just found a name for the truck. ERU1. bound to be a ERU2 somewhere down the line.
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Dmntxn77
01-30-2006, 04:24 PM
D@mn... My axles must be from a 76....

That explains why the internal hubs just dont look right... If I were to install the internal hubs then I would have 8 (IIRC) empty bolt holes in the rotor around the lockout...

Would converting it require more than just new rotors? I have been considering replacing mine anyway since they have obivously been turned more than once already.

J20 project
01-30-2006, 08:50 PM
I don't really understand this comment. You just need to install the correct ones..Am I missing something? It might get interesting ordering rotors now that you mention it. I've never compared outer bearings on them. J20

Originally posted by Dmntxn77:
That explains why the internal hubs just dont look right... If I were to install the internal hubs then I would have 8 (IIRC) empty bolt holes in the rotor around the lockout...

Would converting it require more than just new rotors? I have been considering replacing mine anyway since they have obivously been turned more than once already.[/QB]

Crazy_Jeepman
01-31-2006, 12:07 AM
http://www.partsamerica.com/product_images//img/ray/4944-2.jpg

If your wheel hubs do not look like this,(internal style) then go to junk yard and get a set off a Chevy, or buy new about 75.00 each. External style hubs stick out a long ways and are weaker, I convert them if I get stuck with them.

Dmntxn77
01-31-2006, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by Crazy_Jeepman:
If your wheel hubs do not look like this,(internal style) then go to junk yard and get a set off a Chevy, or buy new about 75.00 each. External style hubs stick out a long ways and are weaker, I convert them if I get stuck with them.Nope, mine dont look like that.... I was thinking the same thing about converting them. I dont want my hubs sticking out that far. Plus, I already have the internal mounted Warns... So you think that all I will need is new wheel hubs? Is all the rest the same? The axle is the same diameter and spline count right?

Crazy_Jeepman
01-31-2006, 01:08 AM
Any that I have converted I have just swapped the Wheel Hubs. There has been times when I have had to change the spindle as well if going from a D44 to HD44, but that would be the most you would have to do. ALL D44 axle shafts are the same diameter. These parts off a Chevy will work as well.